Xbox Series S/X: Thread 02

[dataDave]

Okay, thanks. That’s what I thought. I think I might be clear on it now.

Try imagining a 2160p (4K) N64 vs. a 1440p Gamecube that has backward compatibility. Same deal, only nowhere near as extreme.

[dataDave]

Hopefully this Series S sells pretty well, then MS can come out and officially drop One/One X support so that they can finally move their new games on without further restrictions. Making Halo Infinite compatible with that stinky old hardware doesn't work for anyone other than the people somehow stranded on a One/One X.

I'm trying to tell all of my friends who have that hardware to sell up and move over to the Series S (or X) before prices get a lot worse. That's exactly what I've just had to do with my GTX1080Ti.

[MartyG]

Yes. The Series S is going to play all of the next-gen games when they eventually arrive, with some at 120FPS.

The real test is going to be when the next-gen patch for Cyberpunk 2077 hits. The One X will trump it on the resolution, but likely not on anything else.

The One X and the Series X have one major bragging right between them, and that is "NATIVE 4K!!".

I'd still maintain that the better upgrade for One X is the series X - like with the GFX analogy, you got the RayTracing, but the RTX2060 wasn't better than the GTX1080Ti in all circumstances, it's more of a sideways step.

If you have the One X, get the Series X - if it's a cash issue, hang on to the One X a bit longer, squirrel the extra cash and then get the Series X (or take advantage of the All Access) - there's going to be plenty of them about and given the launch situation, I don't think a day one purchase is worthwhile anyway (same with PS5).

[nonny]

So Xbox Game Streaming (formerly called project xCloud) launches tomorrow and it appears as though it's going to play every single game pass game as there's going to be 150 in there:

Cloud gaming launch titles:
A Plague Tale: Innocence
Absolver
Afterparty
Age of Wonders: Planetfall
ARK: Survival Evolved
Astroneer
Batman: Arkham Knight
Battletoads
Battle Chasers: Nightwar
Black Desert
Blair Witch
Bleeding Edge
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night
Bridge Constructor Portal
Carrion
Children of Morta
ClusterTruck
Crackdown 3: Campaign
Crosscode
Darksiders Genesis
Darksiders III
DayZ
de Blob
Dead by Daylight
Dead Cells
Dead Island Definitive Edition
Death Squared
Deliver us the moon
Demon’s Tilt
Descenders
Destiny 2: Shadowkeep & Forsaken expansion (September 22)
DiRT 4
Don’t Starve
Double Kick Heroes
Drake Hollow
Dungeon of the Endless
Enter The Gungeon
F1 2019
Fallout 76
Farming Simulator 17
Felix the Reaper
Fishing Sim World: Pro Tour
For the King
Forager
Forza Horizon 4
Fractured Minds
Frostpunk: Console Edition
Gato Roboto
Gears of War 1: Ultimate Edition
Gears of War 4
Gears of War 5
Goat Simulator
Golf with Your Friends
Grounded
Guacamelee! 2
Halo 5: Guardians
Halo Wars 1: Definitive Edition
Halo Wars 2
Halo: The Master Chief Collection
Halo: Spartan Assault
Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice
Hello Neighbor
Hollow Knight (Renewal)
Hot Shot Racing
Human Fall Flat
Hyperdot
Hypnospace Outlaw
Indivisible
Journey to the Savage Planet
Katana ZERO (Coming soon)
Killer Instinct DE
Kona
Levelhead
Lonely Mountains: Downhill
Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite
Metro 2033 Redux
Middle Earth: Shadow of War
Minecraft: Dungeons
MINIT
Momodora: Reverie Under the Moonlight
Moonlighter
Mortal Kombat X (Not available in Korea)
Mount & Blade: Warband
Moving Out
Mudrunner
Munchkin: Quacked Quest
Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden
My Time At Portia
Neon Abyss
New Super Lucky’s Tale
NieR:Automata
Night Call
Night in the Woods (Coming soon)
No Man’s Sky
Nowhere Prophet
Observation
Ori and the Blind Forest: Definitive Edition
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Overcooked! 2
Oxenfree
Pathologic 2
Pikuniku
Pillars of Eternity: Complete Edition
Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid
ReCore: Definitive Edition
Remnant: From the Ashes
Resident Evil 7 Biohazard
Rise & Shine
River City Girls (Coming soon)
Sea of Thieves: Anniversary Edition
Sea Salt
Secret Neighbor
Shadow Warrior 2
Slay the Spire
Sniper Elite 4
Spiritfarer
State of Decay 2: Juggernaut Edition
Stellaris
Stranger Things 3: The Game
Streets of Rage 4
Streets of Rogue
Subnautica
Surviving Mars
Tacoma
Tell Me Why Episode 1 – 3
Terraria
The Bard’s Tale IV: Directors Cut
The Bard’s Tale Remastered and Resnarkled
The Bard’s Tale Trilogy
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance Tactics
The Elder Scrolls Online
The Gardens Between
The Jackbox Party Pack 4
The Long Dark
The Lord of the Rings: Adventure Card Game
The Messenger
The Outer Worlds
The Surge 2
The Touryst
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
The Escapists 2
The Talos Principle
The Turing Test
The Walking Dead: A New Frontier – Episode 1 through 5
The Walking Dead: Michonne – Episode 1 – 3
The Walking Dead: Season Two
theHunter: Call of the Wild
Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales
Totally Accurate Battle Simulator
Totally Reliable Delivery Service
Touhou Luna Nights
Tracks – The Train Set Game
Trailmakers
Train Sim World 2020
Two Point Hospital
Undermine
Untitled Goose Game
Void Bastards
Wandersong
Warhammer Vermintide 2 (Coming soon)
Wasteland Remastered
Wasteland 2: Director’s Cut
Wasteland 3
We Happy Few
West of Dead
Wizard of Legend
World War Z
Worms W.M.D
Xeno Crisis
Yakuza 0
Yakuza Kiwami
Yakuza Kiwami 2

[nonny]

As far as I can tell that's everything in game pass right now as it even has Hot Shots Racing which just got added this week...

It also looks like the streaming app might disappear as it redirects to Game Pass which is interesting.

I'll try it tomorrow and see.

[dataDave]

I'd still maintain that the better upgrade for One X is the series X - like with the GFX analogy, you got the RayTracing, but the RTX2060 wasn't better than the GTX1080Ti in all circumstances, it's more of a sideways step.

If you have the One X, get the Series X - if it's a cash issue, hang on to the One X a bit longer, squirrel the extra cash and then get the Series X - there's going to be plenty of them about and given the launch situation, I don't think a day one purchase is worthwhile anyway (same with PS5).

Ha. I was going to use the GTX1080Ti vs. RTX2060 example myself before realising DT might not get it.

Indeed, the Series X is there if you're really going to miss those 4K enhancements. I'm personally gutted I won't be able to get 4K Perfect Dark unless I spend an extra €200, but whatever. Maybe I can upgrade later on if I do end up spending a lot of time and money on the games.

[Dogg Thang]

Ha. I was going to use the GTX1080Ti vs. RTX2060 example myself before realising DT might not get it.

You were absolutely right!

[Neon Ignition]

I'd imagine the biggest hang up for One X owners looking to upgrade is most probably have at least some of their games on disc so losing the disc drive will cause some anguish given how wide the two SKU's price points are.

As for resolution. We have two TV's set up, a 43 inch 4K one sitting about 2ft from the screen and a 70 inch with a long L bend sofa so sitting anywhere from 3-8ft. The difference between 1080p and 4K is immediately noticeable via either. The difference between Forza Horizon 4 running on 1080p console to 4K PC was a revelation.

[Cepp]

Friend at work seems really interested in the S model. She plays COD and Tomb Raider with her hubby and buys them digitally at full price. Every other game is purchased on sale via the online store if\when they catch her eye.

Resolution didn't come into it, but the pricepoint did.

[EvilBoris]

Okay but, if you put aside resolution which I know is a core difference, is the Series S still a significant upgrade over the One X? I know it’s not in res but, if both were displayed on regular HD televisions, would it be an upgrade?

If you totally put aside resolution (including downscaling/supersampling from 4K on the One X) the the series S will be the better looking one.
It literally has technology that the current gen machines do not have and this will manifest itself in the form of better performance and better graphics and an overall better user experience.

[Team Andromeda]

You've got faster loading and quick resume of games etc... Plus I would imagine the dashboard is going to be far snappier as well.

You're also be getting better HDR support and also support for Dolby Vision in 2021 and with that better CPU. I would imagine any game without a locked frame rate will run far better than on the One X.

I think MS is on to a winner with that price point and GamePass. Quite a lot of the girls in work have already been asking me when will they be able to buy the system in the shops since they want to get it for Christmas for their kids

[Family Fry]

MS put out a tweet about it.

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Basically.
Better frame rates, auto HDR, faster loading and improved texture filtering.

In other words, the 1440p console doesn’t play BC games in 4k.
Also the Xbox One X not having better RAM and SSD means it can’t load them as fast OR have multiple game suspended/resumed.

[Brad]

The series S is half the price of the One X - the equivalency you're suggesting would be upgrading from an GTX 1080Ti to RTX 2060. If you have a GTX1080Ti, you get the RTX 2080 Ti. If you have the Xbox One X, you get the Xbox Series X. The Series S is a significant upgrade over the Xbox One S.

Really? I paid £240 for my one x just over a year ago and that came with forza 7 and Forza horizon. From Smyths.

[Neon Ignition]

Kind of surprised retailers haven't started to try and shunt off their XBX and XBO stock. Presumably some deep, deep bargains are coming for Black Friday which may be good for XBX given it's basically got the disc drive and will play that one next-gen game MS has coming out late next year

[dataDave]

I might try for a 4K Perfect Dark player, if that's the case.

That said, the game is absolutely crying out for some form of ray-tracing. There are all kinds of cool tricks thrown about to get convincing lighting, if those were brought to life it'd be an immense showcase.