PC and Steam: Thread 02

[Neon Ignition]

[Neon Ignition]

[fishbowlhead]

Nvidia don’t need to sell GPU’s anymore, their worth like 20 trillion because “ai stuff”.

The market needs a serious new contender, but i don’t see how you could get into it now without, maybe 20b just to get started on r&d, staff, manufacturing plants, it could take 10 years just to produce your first gpu realistically.

[Neon Ignition]

With the GPUs increasing outpricing the market, similar to the situation consoles are facing, I wonder if we're going to see a significant slowdown in the frequency of new card releases as they focus less on it for gaming. The jumps aren't there anymore and with gaming seeing generations extend from the days of 5 years up to consoles remaining active for now up to 13-15 years, is there much point anymore especially if it represents such a tiny amount of the company's bottom line?

[MartyG]

Given they still sell out and sell well above the MSRP, I don't see that happening anytime soon - the market will pay what it's prepared to pay and it'll adjust up and down based on that. I'm not sure I'd listen to anything GamersNexus has to say any more as it's become more about the clicks for that channel, creating controversy where there really isn't any.

There have been gains on these new cards, especially if you're coming from RTX 30XX; it's never been especially sensible to upgrade every new cycle, CPU/GPU or otherwise, and these gains will be seen in greater capacity as software makes greater use of it, whether this be increased AI implementations (which have big gains on 50XX) or better RT (which we're seeing being increasingly needed on new releases).

The consumer choice is buy or not buy - I wouldn't go building any hopes up that AMD's new card will be priced very much differently from NVIDIA's as they aren't going to want to throw money away as a corporation and consumers still want to buy.

[fishbowlhead]

Given how small the numbers are on nvidia cards though, “selling out” has become a bit of ridiculous statement for their launches. I’m not sure how many 50 series cards there were in total, but it wasn’t many, with most the stock it appears going to bots for scalpers, as the speed of them going from “in stock” to “sold out” was instant.

Hopefully the numbers improve as manufacturing ramps up as I’d like a 5070 one day.

[eastyy]

I got a 4060...not the best but for the price it was a good deal at the time, now i need to upgrade my CPU on a 8086k (equivalent to a 8700k) everyone says about upgrading to an AM5 but i am still toying with the idea of a am4 and a 5700x3d as i play in 1080p....but if i upgrade to an AM5 its going to cost so much more when i factor in the DDR5 ram

[MartyG]

It'll cost you about another £25-30 for 32GB of DDR5 compared to DDR4, there's little difference between an AM4 and AM5 setup now, other than the CPU costs.

[Tobal]

Think i've played everything i wanted to in the Nextfest (avoiding openworld crafting survival slop and Mecha-Break looks just to fast and dazzling for me), of 12 games i tried the ones worth talking about

Haste: Broken Worlds - i expected a sonic 3d style game homage from the trailer... i expected to much, instead you get a roguelite with worldmap to select your path and procedurally generated levels which are just a bland mess. As for the controls, single button game, no jump instead you get a dive button, as the game launches you off ramps as it automatically moves you forward, leaving you to get the angle right for the landing to speed up, reminded me a little of skiing down hills in Tribes2 without the feeling of accomplishment.

Nitro-Gen Omega - Control a single mecha with 4 pilots inside which is not far of what the Fuga series does in a tank. Each pilot lets you do an action on a timeline against the enemies actions so it's about placing your 4 actions in the right place to deal the right damage at far/close range, move, reduce damage and reload. Demo doesn't let you do much outside moving around the map as most of the town and airship homebase interactions are turned off. No voices(yet) for any of the pilots hurts the game atmosphere alot as super robot pilots need to be screaming at all times. It also has this horrible fake VHS blur filter trying to emulation late 80's anime on tape.

Khazan the First Berserker - anime souls type, with it playing more like Nioh or Lies of P, flat'ish liner levels which look very nice and move very smoothly. You'll get access to 3 weapon types which all spec in different areas like the greatsword allowing larger enemy guard breaks and decreasing your own interruption chances, weapon menu looks like you can get a handful more types, equipment is of the Nioh school of endless texts of stats applied to the same equipment with different coloured borders. At the moment the 'just guard' is overpowered to point of most fights i was waiting to be attacked to get the rewards for parrying (with large window for it) being HP and guard break damage, exp gain and follow up quick attacks for little stamina loss. I've got my eye on it, but if it doesn't have more than 3 weapon types and snowy mountains at release i wouldn't put time into it and it could end up getting released near the Lies of P dlc.

The Hundred Line - Last Day Defence Academy - from the danganronpa and zero escape guys. If you've played those you know what you'll be getting mostly, which is kids, teens and adults locked into a place where i assume they'll die one by one and you'll get key choices to make now and then. This one adds turned based strategy combat and instead of (at least for now) murdering each other, they are killing otherworldly monsters. English VA is terrible, i suggest turning on japanese VA from starting menu you'll be trapped into 30-40 minute opening anime section with no menus to reach the settings... when i did change it asked me to restart the game so i turned it off... i'll probably go back just to hear the japnese VA and see what the other combatants do for skill in the fighting bits.

Promise Mascot Agency - One the best demos i played, play as a ex-yakuza voiced by Kiryu VA Taka Kuroda, as you manage mascots in a dead town trying rejuvenate it. Game has you only controlling one of those tiny white japanese flatbed trucks, no walking at all, you drive everywhere, do all sorts of collecting things and running stuff over between getting new mascots and town 'heroes', while your businesses hired help takes the mascots to jobs where problems can happen like a mascot getting attacked by wasps, you then play a card battler game (usual energy turn limits, matching cards to the damage type needed) using the towns hero cards to save the day. Reminds me of so many other games from persona 4 atmosphere/art style to Deadly Premonitions empty town driving around speaking to weirdos (100x better car controls). Definitely worth playing.



Poke all Toads - 2D puzzler, the aim is to get your blue cheeky fairy to poke sleeping frogs and then exit the level by capturing the flag. Simple idea with alot of variety as you swap to other expendable fairies to get them to do things like chuck you around, hit switches and take hits from frogs (getting swallowed whole). Great art style, nice controls and alot of fun so it's on my wishlist for when it releases.


Ghost Hand - metroidvania mixed with some 3D dogfighting levels and worldmap. Has the 32bit era look with a great artstyle, standard controls, usual for the genre of large connected maps, hidden paths, unlocking abilities and environmental puzzles. on my wishlist now.


Nice Day for Fishing - Metroidvania with fishing, play as NPC in a online game, 'real' players vanish and it's down you a fishing NPC with only 3 voices/text lines to save the day. Chuckled at view of the story text lines, the fishing is deep enough system, though i could really do with a auto reel option than being forced to tap A to real in which forced me to give up after 30 minutes with a sore thumb joint.


Coin Push RPG - alot of fun this one, part auto battler with a mix of those coin push machines and peggle. Hire, level up and upgrade your heroes and town by getting resources from battling monsters infront a huge coin pusher. Taking manual control will get you alot further than allowing it to auto drop, as you'll get control of when to release the coin from your current rounds hand (starting at 9 coins), you can either hit the enemy icons on the coin push drop area, hitting 3 stops the enemy attacking that round but in return you don't get to place the coins where you really need them and some icons can destroy your coins, while the coins that do drop down from the pusher allow your heroes to attack the monsters. Will definitely get this one.


and lastly...
Starless Abyss - Roguelike sci-fi/occult powered spaceships vs the outer god horrors in a turnbased card battler. I had alot of fun getting the first area boss down in my first run with no upgrades and not much understanding of the cards and upgrades meta. Will get this one.

[Neon Ignition]

I feel like by the time it's worth upgrading it will be as broad as long just to buy an entirely new PC

[Brad]

I got a 4060...not the best but for the price it was a good deal at the time, now i need to upgrade my CPU on a 8086k (equivalent to a 8700k) everyone says about upgrading to an AM5 but i am still toying with the idea of a am4 and a 5700x3d as i play in 1080p....but if i upgrade to an AM5 its going to cost so much more when i factor in the DDR5 ram

I went to 5700X3D paired with a 6800XT and game at 1440p with a 180Hz monitor and it rocks. You'll be absolutely fine at 1080p CPU-wise. I don't know where the 4060 sits but from the numbering it sounds like the GPU will be your bottleneck at 1080p if you plonk a 5700X3D in there.

[Brad]

Put about 6 hours into Arkham Knight since switching to Linux. Zero issues. Runs just like on Windows. I'd like to try something recent and demanding on it but without paying EA or Ubisoft any money if anyone has any suggestions.

I tried playing my PS4 Pro the other day (Bloodborne) and it feels absolutely ancient now, janky as f. I expect I could get used to it but I don't want to. I even immediately noticed Arkham Knight was limited to 60fps initially (on PC) and even that felt not smooth enough! First world problems I know.

[eastyy]

It'll cost you about another £25-30 for 32GB of DDR5 compared to DDR4, there's little difference between an AM4 and AM5 setup now, other than the CPU costs.

Was hoping could just my existing Ddr 4 memory though have been told that may not be as simple

I went to 5700X3D paired with a 6800XT and game at 1440p with a 180Hz monitor and it rocks. You'll be absolutely fine at 1080p CPU-wise. I don't know where the 4060 sits but from the numbering it sounds like the GPU will be your bottleneck at 1080p if you plonk a 5700X3D in there.

Noticed my current cpu really struggling especially when it comes to shader compilations, 4060 did make quite a bit of differenced compared to my 1070 but stuttering is a right pain with so many games now days. Though hoping to upgrade my monitor at some point as now IPS panels have come a really long way to.

[MartyG]

Was hoping could just my existing Ddr 4 memory though have been told that may not be as simple.

Not possible, AM5 only supports DDR5, there are no DDR4 motherboards, nor would you want to cripple AM5 CPUs with DDR4 speeds, would defeat upgrading to AM5.

[speedlolita]

I got a 4060...not the best but for the price it was a good deal at the time, now i need to upgrade my CPU on a 8086k (equivalent to a 8700k) everyone says about upgrading to an AM5 but i am still toying with the idea of a am4 and a 5700x3d as i play in 1080p....but if i upgrade to an AM5 its going to cost so much more when i factor in the DDR5 ram

To remind you, you're limiting that 4060 by running it on a PCIe 3 platform (8x 3.0 is effectively 16x 2.0). I don't think a 5700X3D is a bad buy right now, especially if you're wanting to carry over existing RAM. That'll let your 4060 run as it is designed to (just make sure you go for a board with PCIe 4 support) and you'll have a decent CPU too.