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**egparadigm** · 20-06-2006, 22:25

I don't actually have prog scan for any of my last-gen consoles yet, so I apologise if anything is incorrect.

GameCube: you need the component cable which is available at PlayAsia for ?30 and NTSC games. Don't know about Freeloader, but import will save you a lot of money off games, if not hardware, too. I have been using US and PAL saves on the same memory card for a couple of years and not had a problem. A Jap machine will format your memory card for Japanese saves only, however. Most Jap games cannot be saved using Freeloader, as only the Japanese GameCube can format memory cards.

PS2: Again a component cable. Either PlayAsia or Liksang will supply these. I think the UK PS2 offers component output from the dashboard but you need NTSC games to take advantage.

Xbox: You have to SoftMod your Xbox so it will output in NTSC mode. This, so I am told, will not get you banned from Xbox Live and will allow you to play most PAL games in 480p and occasionally 720p. I have managed to get this far but am currently waiting on the cable to test it out.

One further note: Those comparison pictures are between composite (or compo****e) and 480p - which is hardly a fair comparison. If you are running an RGB scart at the moment, the output is 576i or thereabouts. Scart is at least twice as good as composite.

**Champloo** · 20-06-2006, 22:43

I see, thanks very much for the help. I was planning on softmodding my xbox, but still need the action replay. It's on my 'to-do list' in any case and maybe I will pick up a component cable then, providing I can use it on my 360.

As for the memory card wiping, i've heard this causes problems recently, and I don't know if it would be worth moving my saves. I did end up having a memory card wipe whilst playing Crystal Chronicles saying it was corrupt - I don't know if this was because it was a third party memory card or beacuse I had NTSC and PAL saves on there. I just wanted to confirm this.

I'm looking at the prices for components cables and they're pretty horrible, but the progressive scan comparisons look so good. Quite a dilemma!

**egparadigm** · 20-06-2006, 22:46

Check one of the other two threads in this folder for links to cables. You don't need to pay for an action replay to softmod your xbox. I did it with a superjoybox 10 (any usb>xbox controller converter should work), an official MS memory unit and the action replay software downloaded from codejunkies.com.

There are ways of doing it with USB keys, too, but I already owned the SuperJoyBox.

**tom-nook** · 20-06-2006, 22:47

That's a heck of a lot of questions there! I'll do my best to answer most of them for you:

Originally posted by Champloo

Firstly, is it really worth the cost? I wanted it for the gamecube in particular but it seems that this will set me back around $80 for the component cable, and then i'd want a NTSC console and so forth to save me using the freeloader all the time, a new memory card (are PAL and NTSC saves not compatible because I have lots of mixed saves on my memory cards..?) and of course some NTSC games.

Pretty subjective this one I'm afraid. Personally I'd say no as it's a lot of expense to go to especially with the Wii on the horizon.

On the whole PAL & NTSC games are fine on the same memory card.

Originally posted by champloo

Comparisons i've seen look really impressive ( http://ramblings.narrabilis.com/wp/h...endo-gamecube/ ) especially wind waker, but i'm not sure if all games will look this good.

The comparisons on this site are between composite (the lowest of the low) & component so you can expect to see similar improvements on all games.

If you were to compare rgb scart to component on the Cube though the difference would not be quite so marked though.

Originally posted by champloo

On top of this, is there any way of confirming whether i'll be able to use the component cable on the Wii?

It's not been confirmed yet afaik.

Originally posted by champloo

A quick question on the PS2 and XBOX, will I actually need to buy NTSC consoles to get to play these in progressive scan as well or is it included in the PAL hardware and therefore I just need the component cable?

You don't need to buy ntsc consoles.

A PAL PS2 will display games in prog scan but only if the games support it. Very few ntsc games have a prog scan option and sometimes this option is removed from the PAL release. PAL games that support it incl. Resi 4, Burnout Revenge etc.

The progressive scan mode on the PAL Xbox has been 'disabled' by default. However, if your machine has been modded (chip or soft mod) it is possible to enable prog scan mode. However, you need to change the video mode to 'ntsc' first using an app called Enigmah Video Switch Mode.

Originally posted by champloo

I recently upgraded to RGB on my PS2 and the difference is great, but I imagine it would look a lot better in progressive scan.

You will only really notice a difference with games include a prog scan option (most PAL/NTSC games don't). The video quality using component leads on games that don't support prog scan will be on a par with RGB.

Hope this helps!

**tom-nook** · 20-06-2006, 22:57

Originally posted by Champloo

maybe I will pick up a component cable then, providing I can use it on my 360

The Xbox component lead doesn't work on the 360 unfortunately

You can pick them up pretty cheaply on ebay though & almost all* Xbox games support prog scan (much higher percentage than the PS2 & GC).

* all ntsc games run in progressive scan & probably about 95% of all PAL games.

**sj33** · 21-06-2006, 05:31

To be honest, unless your THAT desperate, I'd wait for the Wii, get a US Wii which will run everything 480p as standard (reportedly).

The difference between 480p and 480i isn't night and day like 720p is, the resolution is exactly the same. It looks better because of the progressive refresh, but it's perhaps not worth the potentially large expendature with the Wii/PS3 offering backward compatiblity and progressive.

**Yoshimax** · 21-06-2006, 15:36

Get the xbox1 modded, switch it to NTSC, fire in the component cable, switch it to support all the HDTV resolutions then fire up MX vs ATV, SoulCalibur2, KungFuChaos or Hulk and never look back

**Concept** · 21-06-2006, 16:41

It depends on the native resolution of your display. 480p games look gash on ( 1280x720/1366x768 ) HDTVs in my opinion to a good CRT running the Xbox, Cube or PS2 through RGB.

**Champloo** · 21-06-2006, 19:17

I think that just about persuades me to avoid it, but i'm definitely going to softmod my xbox at some point!

So if the Wii and PS3 will be offering progressive scan by standard, i'm guessing they will be coming with component cables or will this be an additional buy?

Other than that, I think that's all my questions answered, thanks for the help, in particular Tom Nook and monomaniacpat for the really detailed responses, it's really been a great help. ^^

**NekoFever** · 21-06-2006, 19:37

The PS3 will probably come with something along the lines of what the 360 has - a switchable component/composite cable so that people can use it regardless of TV type. The Wii on the other hand...well I'd be quite surprised if it comes with anything better than composite since they're not pushing the HD angle and don't plan to support more than 480p. No point bundling in a decent cable when most of the intended audience won't have the means to use it.

**Champloo** · 22-06-2006, 20:48

Thanks neko. I'll probably pick up a component cable seperately then when the Wii comes along. I'll make sure I pick up at least an RGB cable in any case.

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