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    Originally posted by mazza View Post
    Exactly. If you would have dropped Kubica or Schumacher (when he first came along) into that Mclaren I'm sure it would have been a tight finish at the end also. Kimi left Dennis in the s*** so he took a gamble on Lewis, Luckily he rolled a 6. Just cause I don't praise Lewis in my post doesn't mean I don't think he has no talent. It's plain to see all these guys are talented but my point was he is not the divine talent that ITV made out he was every race.
    If you forget comparisons with other teams and simply look at it from within Mclaren, I think that any rookie who can come in and score the same amount of points as a double world champion is clearly an extreme talent.

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      Yeah that is very true - However, I feel Mclaren turned into a one man team during the last half a dozen races.

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        If they did then that was Alonso's fault for being so arrogant. Even so, I don't believe Alonso was mechanically disadvantaged in any way, only emotionally. McLaren have always let their two drivers race in equal machinery even if Ron himself becomes emotionally attached to one of the drivers.

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          If this is true...

          ...then I hope McLaren don't win this appeal. Looks like it might have been a driver error on Hamilton's part. To his credit, he's said he wouldn't want to win the championship via this appeal anyway.

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            That story has been picking up pace all day on the internet, wonder if there is any truth in it as all sources quote and alleged report somewhere else. I doubt you could slip on the wheel but I guess it's possible. Do they record all the on board footage or only when the director is showing it? that'd clear it up.

            They should be appealing anyway on behalf of all the cars that were behind the three in question but I also think it's a pointless exercise.

            How do you cool a fuel tank anyway, have they fitted fridges inside the cars or is the issue that the fuel was too cool before it went into the cars? In which case it'd would've warmed up really quickly once it was in the car right, surely it gets to like 100+ inside the engine covers?

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              It was too cool before it went into the cars, and it takes two laps to get up to "full temperature". So I read. The samples were taken from the refuelling rigs, not the cars apparently.

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                So they appeal the fuel issue but they weren't punished for the tyre SNAFU. Rules are rules and if you impose one set you must impose the other.

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                  Originally posted by Alastair View Post
                  I doubt you could slip on the wheel but I guess it's possible.
                  Mansell did it a few years back...just as he was about to cross the finish line!

                  Although if you listen to him he maintains it was the fault of the car...

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                    always wondered really what percentage of it between the skill of the driver and the quality of the car that will win the race

                    look at when damon hill went to jordan and then the results afterwards

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                      The perfect illustration will be when/if Alonso leaves McL next season. Check the results of his new team and also what happens to McL.

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                        anyone remember the race with damon hill and he was actually winning then at about the last or second from last lap his car conked out well it worked but it was really slow and he limped over the race line i think still in second or third though

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                          Originally posted by Richard.John View Post
                          So they appeal the fuel issue but they weren't punished for the tyre SNAFU. Rules are rules and if you impose one set you must impose the other.
                          They were fined for the tyre thing, that's their punishment. And comparing the use of too many tyres in a practice session to drivers getting a speed advantage* in an actual Grand Prix, is ludicrous.

                          *I have no idea if the fuel gave them a speed advantage, but I assume it must have for it to be an issue at all.

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                            Originally posted by eastyy View Post
                            anyone remember the race with damon hill and he was actually winning then at about the last or second from last lap his car conked out well it worked but it was really slow and he limped over the race line i think still in second or third though
                            Yup. Hungary '97. That was when he was driving for Arrows. I remember him being interviewed about it afterwards. He was asked what was going through his mind as Jacques Villeneuve overtook him. He replied "Bugger!"

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                              Originally posted by Paulos G View Post
                              Yup. Hungary '97. That was when he was driving for Arrows. I remember him being interviewed about it afterwards. He was asked what was going through his mind as Jacques Villeneuve overtook him. He replied "Bugger!"
                              That has to be one of the greatest drives in F1 history. I'll never forget the sight of Hill overtaking Schumacher's Ferrari at turn 1 and then going on to totally dominate before being struck by mechanical problems.

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                                Originally posted by toythatkills View Post
                                They were fined for the tyre thing, that's their punishment. And comparing the use of too many tyres in a practice session to drivers getting a speed advantage* in an actual Grand Prix, is ludicrous.

                                *I have no idea if the fuel gave them a speed advantage, but I assume it must have for it to be an issue at all.
                                Apparently cooler fuel means more can be pumped into the car in a shorter space of time and also gives a speed advantage.

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