Royal Mail Strike - Quick Question?

[JB@XL]

And come promotion/pay rise time who do you think will be rewarded first? The person who carpet burns, or someone who puts in the time? Come redundancies who will be first to go? The person who works to rule, or puts in the extra hours to help the company? Unfortunately this is the world we live in.

I do not work for RM but in my long work experience i have seen staff who work extra hours(sometimes against health & safety policy)on a regular basis losing their job or have their job threatened.At the end of the day we are all just numbers who can be axed no matter what.

i'd have thought its the way to move up the ladder in anything.

be good at what you do, show some initiative if possible and work hard.

slightly flippant but was David Beckham an idiot for staying behind and practising free kicks for hours on end when at Man Utd, bet he didn't get OT ?

Practice free kicks or go home to listen to the stick insect trying to sing.No contest.

[Yoshimax]

I can't remember the last time I did a full days work....

Applies to quite a few members of this here forum - Bloody videogames turning us all into workshy gaming drunkards tbh.

I'm watching the clock BEEEEER

[Strider]

I was watching the Wright stuff this morning and he mentioned post workers are asking for a 30% pay rise, is that true?

[Jebus]

At the end of the day we are all just numbers who can be axed no matter what.

Spot on sir!

...and nobody likes being told that, which is how callous RM are being at the moment. 20 years of service this one guy had, only to be told "Looks like you better get another job" when asked how he'd manage the new hours with childcare, as his wife works.

It'd be easier to swallow if Crozier and Leighton weren't CONSTANTLY releasing press statements saying how they are a, and I quote, "Caring and Sharing" company and how "Flexibility works both ways"...before telling you to like it or **** off.

[Jebus]

I was watching the Wright stuff this morning and he mentioned post workers are asking for a 30% pay rise, is that true?

No, that is completely and utter nonsense.

For 30% though, I'd bend over and take it up the ****ter.

Maybe.

We earnt our bonus this year, supposed to be £400!! (Decent bonus but we worked REALLY hard to achieve what they required for it)

We did everything they asked, then just at the last minute changed their minds...you only get it if you sign up to this new deal they said. "But we did everything you asked...we met your 5% savings deal, we did what you told us to...we achieved your productivity demands!!" but nope, they've decided to withhold it til we sign up to yet another deal.

That means the 20 hours a week people did for free (extra walk etc) was for nothing, they conned us.

Caring and sharing, flexible my arsehold Crozier/Leighton. How anyone can believe a word those utter shysters say is beyond me.

Anyone, I've noticed I'm becoming more vitriolic and angry, apologies

[Yoshimax]

For 30% though, I'd bend over and take it up the ****ter.

Out of context quote of the year 2007.

NOTHING will top that.

[bignige]

Anyone, I've noticed I'm becoming more vitriolic and angry, apologies

It's true, last time you went this postal was at the GOW tournament!!

[Strider]

I wasn't trying to stir Jebus, I've not really been following the strike, and when he mentioned that I'll admit that the first thing I thought was "cheeky beggers".

It's worrying though that it's being put out as fact when it's not actually true, even if it is only Channel 5.

[Jebus]

1-1 I believe Nige

Yosh, you forgot the "Maybe", just thought I'd point that out because I KNOW you wouldn't have done that by mistake

Don't worry, nobody is stirring me. I'm sat here with a smile on my face

[Greg Moss]

I did want to keep out of this, as 1 to many people I work with lurk on this forum.

The thing is though, Royal Mail wants to bring in all these "moderisation" plans to fund the ?500 million+ it has to pay into the pension scheme every year. The thing is, do you know why it's this much, because RM took a 10 YEAR pension break, where we continued to give RM money towards our pension, and instead of doing that, they spent it on "moderisation". Remember when RM tried to change it's name to consignia or whatever the hell it was, "moderisation", and we all know how well that went. So I ask you, why the hell should I work my arse off even more, just to give them money, to effectivly pay for the money I've already given them?

Damn right I'm a lazy arsehole of a postie, I'll work longer, harder and for god know how many more years, just so I can pay them back the money I've already paid them.

[Brats]

I don't work for Royal Mail and agree with Jebus's last paragraph. Any overtime I do I get to take in lieu/get paid for. Wouldn't do it otherwise.

I know many who feel that way, but it depends in the environment. In the city and in some other jobs, you get paid your wage and are expected (and you yourself expect) to work extra. However if you do, you can go up the ladder fast.

However, the RM is not saying this are they? The 'cobblers' guy clearly said on national TV that if posties work overtime, they will get paid for it. Is he lieing?

I don't think the posties will win the public sympathy on this one as most of the stuff they are against are things most people have to put up with anyway. However I can appreciate that being given targets and rewards and then told that you need to sign up to something else when you meet it is a kick in the nuts .

There are clearly issues where both parties are accusing each other when possibly the answer is already there. It just seems like a horrible breakdown in culture in the RM at the moment.

[Brats]

No, that is completely and utter nonsense.

For 30% though, I'd bend over and take it up the ****ter.

Nice .

It's not complete and utter nonsense though. The union have asked that wages meet the national average and that does equate to a 27% increase (I checked) assuming the national average stays the same (which it probably won't which is where 30% comes from I guess).

It is erroneous to suggest the union is after 30% in one year (Wright Stuff FTL), however this is where a large part of the union's argument can come under easy attack. The national average is the middle figure, some people are above it, some are below. It's incredible to think that the union of a struggling organisation can demand that. The union needs to stop thinking that their industry is fine and act responsibly. Drop the national average crap (for now) and probably accept the pension issue (which is going to happen as it has everywhere else) and instead focus on what they can win.

By setting their sights too high, the union come across as ignorant of real world economics and are likely to lose everything.

[stainboy]

What upsets me most in this thread is the people saying "just get another job". For various unfortunate reasons I've become unemployable, I can't even get jobs I believe I'm too good for. I couldn't afford to be a full time student again like I was meant to this year so I'm stuck in this depressing state. Despite the strikes I'll still feel relieved and grateful if I get any of the RM jobs I'm applied for because I can't even think of another job I'd want/could get. Yet people are saying if you're in this job you deserve to be treated unfairly and if you don't agree then you should be working in an even ****ter one.

[Jebus]

and instead focus on what they can win.

The point is, if they drop this, they can't win anything, the fight is over.

You can't know this because you don't work for RM, but once they win, that's it, it's over, there is no fight left to fight.

They are so stupendously heavy handed at times, and this is one of them.

Leighton and Crozier...neither one of them has ever delivered a letter in their ****ing life, so they are no doubt over-qualified to tell us all we're underworked and overpaid. Of course, they can prove it with figures, ideas, productivity schemes and HILARIOUS employee shares. (Worth £400 apparently, IF you do everything you are told, IF you stay for 4 years...amongst many other IFS...they think you're stupid enough to swallow that as yet another "GOOD" part of their deal...no option either, they just arrived in the post with your name on em).

What upsets me most in this thread is the people saying "just get another job".

But didn't you know...when you feel hard done by, when you fear equality is being challenged, you shouldn't fight for it, you should just run away and do something else.

I wonder quite how many people would say "get another job" if it were THEIR job at risk. I mean for **** sake, some of the guys I work with ONLY know how to deliver the post, they've done it man and boy! They delivered the mail when it was delivered out of a grey sack from the front of a bike that looks like your mums shopper!!

It's very easy to be so blase about it, but "get another job" is just not an answer for many people.

[Mad Gear]

I've just had a phone call from a mate. Apparently 43 staff (so around a fifth) went in today and i've got 15 trays of mail waiting for me on my fitting already.
I can't see me delivering much tomorrow.