Teacher almost kills pupil during class

[cutmymilk]

I am a teacher and what is said here is true. You do get kids who purposely provoke teachers. there was an incident locally a couple of years ago where the pupils gave their teacher so much **** that he grabbed a pupil by the scruff to throw him out... while other pupils filmed it with their camera phone and got the teacher fired. It was the teacher who got the support but still lost his job. Absolute disgrace.

I've witnessed it on a personal level but have always kept cool and gone through proper procedures . If I wasn't a teacher and could get away with it some of these so called children (15 year old chavs) would have had a knuckle sandwich upside their face.

[teenagewasteland]

to bangaio and cutmymilk - as a prospective teacher, what do you feel needs to be done in the education system to try and stop things like this? Do you feel current procedures are adequate? And what advise would you give to a new/young teacher?

[Kieran76]

What age range are you planning on teaching?

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

It's ok. They earn a better living on the dole anyway, and benefits from having about 5 kids =(

Yeah thats the problem isnt it tho. They'll do ok whether they get a job or not I think.

When I had to sign on I had to fill in loads of forms, including how much I was willing to earn a wk. I put down ?200 for a FT job, but was told it was too much to expect (?). She pressured me into agreeing to work every day of the wk & to drop my max wkly wage down to ?100.

As for young ppl in work, the rules are so different now. I wasnt even allowed to have long hair even tho it was clean & tidy, & I even suggested that I could tie it back. These days youngsters can go to school/work with their hair all over the place, not wear the correct clothing, & piercings everywhere, which totally messes with the rules that we all have to conform to when we become adults & doesnt set them up for the real world or give any boundaries.

[endo]

It's ok. They earn a better living on the dole anyway, and benefits from having about 5 kids =(

Crikey, Daily Mailism ahoy! Try living on benefits- it's ****!

A million points to the first person to mention this is all the fault of Brussels bureaucrats/the EU.

[Stormtec]

Crikey, Daily Mailism ahoy! Try living on benefits- it's ****!

It's clearly not **** enough if I can pick a random person out from a crowd here and they're more than likely "job-seeking" =P

Then again, it's probably just here. Mansfield's **** =(

[abigsmurf]

Crikey, Daily Mailism ahoy! Try living on benefits- it's ****!

A million points to the first person to mention this is all the fault of Brussels bureaucrats/the EU.

I was on the Dole for a long period. No way can you live on it £56 a week (to cover ALL bills).

It does however change if you pump out a kid. I know a single mother who works two half days a week at tescos but has an effective income of £18K. More than I earn doing what I would consider a skilled job.

What's more, the more kids you pump out, the more benefits you can claim and the bigger house you'll get from the council. Hence Karen Matthews, every 2-3 years she'd find some desperate/stupid person to father another kid for her.

There are going to be lots of single parents discovering that their benefits dry up when their kids hit 16 who have never done a proper weeks work in their lives. Going to be even more fun when the government implements the system that decides you have to work full time once your kids are in secondary education.

[teenagewasteland]

What age range are you planning on teaching?

Unsure - secondary or college. I don't forsee as many problems with college kids as with secondary kids but I'm just basing that on my own experience.

[prinnysquad]

I'd stay well clear of secondary school. Lunatics, immature cocky little nobheads pollute the system.

[bangaio]

to bangaio and cutmymilk - as a prospective teacher, what do you feel needs to be done in the education system to try and stop things like this? Do you feel current procedures are adequate? And what advise would you give to a new/young teacher?

As far as procedures go - nothing. If your school has a sold behaviour management policy in place and you stick to it most things a cool. Kids try and push things - i'm 31 went to a nice grammar school and there were plenty of fights, kids winding up teachers but when you got bollocked you stopped - parents helped that. Most kids these days stop too - their parents are effective.

For the few (and in my school of over 1100 including sixth form we are talking probably 15-20 kids tops) ofsted's view of permanent exclusion doesn't help.

We look at managed moves, Personal Independent Student Support OFF site plans, reduced time tables, internal exclusion, reports, clear escalation plans and these all work for most kids.

What lets schools down is inconsistency, poor planning, week management teams and poor home school links. When we look at who doesn't attend parents evenings, respond to phone calls, attend other school events etc. it's those 15-20 parents.

At the end of the day kids are trying to be far more mature and switched on in a world that is very different but they are still kids who learn by pushing their boundaries.

Don't let any of this put you off though - teaching is the best job in the world especially secondary. It is easy to focus on a few naughties and forget that you have a school of over 1000 superstars.

[Adrock]

These days youngsters can go to school/work with their hair all over the place, not wear the correct clothing, & piercings everywhere, which totally messes with the rules that we all have to conform to when we become adults & doesnt set them up for the real world or give any boundaries.

I think its fair to say thats absolute rubbish. Considering we've had a plethora of stories recently regarding people not having the correct uniform by wearing religious dress/symbols. Uniform rules are still vey strict in most schools.

[bangaio]

I'd stay well clear of secondary school. Lunatics, immature cocky little nobheads pollute the system.

That sounds like college kids to me

Most of our sixth formers are wannabe stoners there for EMA, because they're scared of working even though A levels are not for them or jumped up townie chavs with vaguely well off parents obsessed with cars and where the next party is.

Yes I'm jealous! Seriously though I think just post 16 would get very boring very quickly.

[prinnysquad]

I just seem to remember never really feeling threatened at sixth form. Sure there were freeloaders, but they just bummed about without really skanking those out to seriously try. I can't remember kids kicking off at college.

I'm probably basing my opinion of the situation on the fact that secondary school was utter hell, and I see dozens of ****s hanging around the town every day.

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

I think its fair to say thats absolute rubbish. Considering we've had a plethora of stories recently regarding people not having the correct uniform by wearing religious dress/symbols. Uniform rules are still vey strict in most schools.

Ah thats different tho isnt it. Thats considered something based on their religion, which if I'm right in the case of a news story about a certain young girl in Wales, was then allowed to wear her Sikh bracelet after she won a court battle, so the school had to give way, as usual .

I was talking about maintaining a proffessional look rather than a 'dragged thru a hedge backwards' look that I tend to see being allowed in school these days.
Sorry if I didnt make it clear but when I talked about the piercings stuff I meant regarding work, which also includes tattoos too. I'm not against tattoos seeing as I have 1 myself, but they shouldnt be paraded for everyone to see (lets face it their showing off because of lack of attention!). They should be covered up.

[JazzFunk]

Fake or not, news of a teacher beating a quite unruly pupil around the head - until almost death, with a weight - is behaviour to be praised.

He gets an award, that man.

The Short, Sharp Shock is best for them all, and that is fact.