Has Jon Venables' identity been exposed...?

[toythatkills]

So in your sunny world, somewhere down the line, your little girl brings home a bloke who you then find out is formerly convicted murderer who has been "rehabilitated". I'm certain you'd welcome him into the family fold with open arms because the justice system has prevailed and there's nothing wrong with him now..lol. Don't make me laugh

I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing how this is relevant to my point. Maybe you should read those "rags," they sound right up your closed-minded two-wrongs-make-a-right vigilante-justice little street.

[endo]

Another intelligent response.

I reckon Thompson must be crapping bricks with the fallout from this........

Many thanks.

I don't think Thompson would necessarily be ****ting himself over this. He could be on the other side of the planet for anyone knows. Have the pictures linked to in this thread actually been confirmed as Jon Venables? Or by linking to them is the OP possibly adding to the woes of some poor unfortunate wrongly identified as him?

[toythatkills]

I don't think Thompson would necessarily be ****ting himself over this. He could be on the other side of the planet for anyone knows. Have the pictures linked to in this thread actually been confirmed as Jon Venables? Or by linking to them is the OP possibly adding to the woes of some poor unfortunate wrongly identified as him?

The links were since removed by someone with sense.

Anyway, the pictures were of a man. A HUMAN MAN. Whether he's Venables or not he certainly has the potential to kill someone because he is A REAL PERSON. So he should be hanged.

[Brad]

Why are they both still alive? I don't mean why haven't they been sentenced to death, I mean why haven't they taken their own lives? How could someone live with themselves after doing something like that? How could they possibly enjoy an existence knowing what they had done?

[Daragon]

People would deserve to know if they were mature enough to handle it, but they're not. What do you expect people to do? As soon as people find out who Venables (or Thompson) is, they're going to kill them, or torture and kill them. People can't be trusted to know who they are.

If you think that they deserve it, then whatever, there's little hope.

Where's Thompson in all this? He's living his life quietly, not getting in to any trouble, and putting the past behind him and trying to just go through life. In your ideal world he's lying dead somewhere.



Can you provide examples of this or are you just spouting **** you read in a red-top once?

I think the bit I've highlighted there is a bit unfair, if Thompson has managed to live his life without re-offending then good luck to the guy if he's no longer a threat to the public.

Venables needs to return to prison, or at the very least some solitary confined environment until people who can care for him are confident that his ways have changed. Paedophiles are given harsh prison sentences for a reason, they're only mere steps away from child abduction and murder, and of course this chap has history.

How many times must he return to and subsequently be released from prison complete with brand new life before the ****wits dishing out the sentencing get the hint?

[toythatkills]

I think the bit I've highlighted there is a bit unfair, if Thompson has managed to live his life without re-offending then good luck to the guy if he's no longer a threat to the public.

Of course it's unfair, that's my point. In NemesiS' view, they've committed a crime when they were ten and are incapable of change. That means we should all be told who and where they are, and the only thing that can lead to is their death at the hands of some vigilante.

Which is an insane view.

[Daragon]

Of course it's unfair, that's my point. In NemesiS' view, they've committed a crime when they were ten and are incapable of change. That means we should all be told who and where they are, and the only thing that can lead to is their death at the hands of some vigilante.

Which is an insane view.

NemesiS does raise a valid point though, in all that, which you've yet to address - are you a father? Would you be happy to discover that your child was in a relationship with a convicted killer, especially one who continues to end up on the wrong side of the law?

Coming back to the paedophile thing for a minute though, if you're convicted once you go onto a register, your life is forever changed for the worse even if you have no intention of reoffending, you're branded a paedo for life in the eyes of the public, they don't get ID changes do they? To kill someone, regardless of how young you are, this should carry the same punishment.

I am very much of the belief that if you take a life through murder, that makes you a monster and that human rights should no longer apply to you.

[toythatkills]

NemesiS does raise a valid point though, in all that, which you've yet to address - are you a father? Would you be happy to discover that your child was in a relationship with a convicted killer, especially one who continues to end up on the wrong side of the law?

It's not a question you can answer, because it depends on the person. It's not black and white like "he's a killer, he's not a killer." There's simply no way you can answer it without knowing the person involved.

[averybluemonkey]

you should read those "rags," they sound right up your closed-minded two-wrongs-make-a-right vigilante-justice little street.

This is grossly unfair and I'm sorry but your preconceived stereotype is showing. I've already posted about the almost non existent conviction rate.

I used to be an anti police libertarian. I read new statesman, the independent and all manner of supposedly highbrow politics books and essays.

Turns out I was close minded and ignorant. The truth is that that armchair politicians have weakened the polices power to such an extent that guilty criminals often get away Scott free, the police are always treated as the bad guys. Its rare for criminals to get sentenced and even if they do the sentences are often a joke.

And before you try and tar me with the same brush just because I'm an authoritarian doesn't mean I'll read those racist, moronic excuses for papers. I'm a left wing, anti war, pro Fairtrade, socialist,etc. authoritarian.

[abigsmurf]

NemesiS does raise a valid point though, in all that, which you've yet to address - are you a father? Would you be happy to discover that your child was in a relationship with a convicted killer, especially one who continues to end up on the wrong side of the law?

Venables is required to tell anyone he gets romantically involved in who he is. There's a strong argument for this to be what drove him to extreme porn. Whilst there will be women who accept who he is, it's a massive ask and he'd know it, probably never even attempting to get a relationship.

[dataDave]

Speaking of PDFiles let out back on the street here's a real, first-hand cracker...

In my first job where I was a trainee we had a new guy start on the recommendation of our IT guy, it was his brother. This dude was an ASP coder by the name of *** NAME REMOVED ***

I worked with him for two years before moving on, I'd share zip disks and other storage media with him - as you do when you work with computers taking work home all the time etc.. One time he paid me 50 quid for spending an afternoon with him and a few of his 'friends' as they wanted to learn how to use Photoshop for photograph enhancements, I didn't think anything of it at the time apart from "way hay! Free game!". Anyway, shortly after I left to join a new company.

Just a few months later it turns out he'd been arrested for grooming a little girl on his street. He'd taken various pics of her and shared them amongst his network. When the cops busted him they found thousands of images and vids. As well as this they raided my previous place of employment and found loads of crap on the computers and servers there, he'd worked his way up into IT, so of course he had access to a lot of space and even used some bandwidth for whatever purposes. He got sentenced in 2002 and in 2008 he was back on the streets/internet. It also turns out that he'd offended and been convicted in the past with his own daughter, then there he goes working in an office, on the internet, in the presence of 16yr old trainees!!

I heard just last week that he's working on the internet again and is in business with his bro.

Personally I don't think he should be within 100m of a computer or a capable phone. Imagine, not only could I have by chance taken some storage media home that had a plethora of kiddy pics on it, but I have also indirectly trained up a team of prospective peadophiles how to make their 'photos' look better! It's nuts!

[toythatkills]

This is grossly unfair and I'm sorry but your preconceived stereotype is showing. I've already posted about the almost non existent conviction rate.

I used to be an anti police libertarian. I read new statesman, the independent and all manner of supposedly highbrow politics books and essays.

Turns out I was close minded and ignorant. The truth is that that armchair politicians have weakened the polices power to such an extent that guilty criminals often get away Scott free, the police are always treated as the bad guys. Its rare for criminals to get sentenced and even if they do the sentences are often a joke.

And before you try and tar me with the same brush just because I'm an authoritarian doesn't mean I'll read those racist, moronic excuses for papers. I'm a left wing, anti war, pro Fairtrade, socialist,etc. authoritarian.

Sorry if I make a mess of this reply, but I'm not entirely sure what you're saying so I'm winging it

It sounds like you agree with what I've said, for the most part, so I'm not sure what you've got against that quote.

I have no problem at all with the police having more power, and criminals getting the sentences they deserve, etc. What I am saying is that when those sentences have been served, then people shouldn't be embarking on man hunts and putting their pictures (they think) on the internet so that anybody nearby can kill them. Because that's the only aim here, that's the only reason that people want to know who Venables and Thompson are, so they can feel like heroes and "give them what they deserve".

You do the crime, you do the time, and then you're given a chance to show that you've changed. And until such time as you show otherwise, you're left alone. If you do reoffend or look to be on that path, a further look is taken at what's necessary. You don't just get killed by an angry mob.

[Daragon]

Again though, convicted paedophiles don't get the luxury of a new life and complete anonymity once their dues have been paid, so why the **** should murderers?

[averybluemonkey]

My point was that I don't think he paid for his crime and that he doesn't deserve a chance at enjoying life after the misery he caused.

[toythatkills]

Again though, convicted paedophiles don't get the luxury of a new life and complete anonymity once their dues have been paid, so why the **** should murderers?

Anonymity isn't granted based on the crime, it's granted based on the risk to the the person if people knew where to find them.