Back again with apologies to all

[Shozuki]

Trading is the biggest issue I realise that, I don't have trading access nor do I want it. I'm ultimately pleased to have settled my debts and ultimately be given a second chance my management.

I appreciate our community is small and I have violated it, Given that Zaki has posted whom had the biggest grievance would it be ok just to finally talk about games again. That's all I'm asking.

[Shozuki]

First up, sorry to hear you’ve been through the mill lately. I’ve no doubt that it’s been incredibly difficult and painful, and I’m sure that your actions that hurt others and lead to this point weren’t taken lightly. I’ve been close enough to another member who’s been in a similar position in the past to have seen the other side of their story, and I have more sympathy for your position than you might think.

If I’m understanding the timelines and implications of some of the above posts correctly though, I think it’s pretty poor form to have a) been setting up alts and then b) deceptively trading through them. Your first post here paints a picture of someone desperately missing the community, whereas these actions would instead suggest someone whose dependancy is on trade access, that in their mind takes priority over the rules of the forum, or transparency to the members within. That Jason saw a trade through regardless is a credit to him, and whilst I’m also a firm believer in redemption, I find it very hard to take an apology at face value given the timing and the circumstances. I’m glad that you’re doing better personally and that you’re making up what is owed to those you wronged, but I’m hoping you can see as well that your more recent actions were at fault as well as the actions that lead to your ban.

Your points are all fair, I continued to make errors of judgement and your quite right to feel how you do. I'm just here to talk about the games. Just the games.

[chojin]

You're back here, you're making amends and you've laid you're cards on the table, good on you and welcome back fella

[Shozuki]

You're back here, you're making amends and you've laid you're cards on the table, good on you and welcome back fella

Thank you mate, nice to come into the thread with a nice post, last few pages have been rough! (though, I deserve it!)

[Jei]

Sorting out Zaki for the trouble is a respectful move and one that a lot of people wouldn't do considering the situation.

Admitting wrong is much harder than walking away.

Good move and for that I'd like to welcome you back too.

[ETC]

It's pretty easy, if you want to talk to Sho talk to him if not block him. Personally I have no problem with his return, as for trade access that should be earned back eventually (providing he even wanted to) as it has been for other members in the past.

welcome back

[Colin]

I had written out a long post on this but it's just not worth the drama. Had I known about the second alt I would never have said to Charles that this thread could be a good idea. That's just a revelation too far for me personally and says a lot about the mindset of a person, evidently that puts me in the minority though. I think Fuse summed it up very well in his second paragraph anyway, so the basic facts are there.

The denials that access to trade is wanted, after setting up and attempting to do so with two accounts, is simply bordering on the ridiculous. The desire to trade is the reason this thread even exists.

[nakamura]

What's to stop Shozuki offering stuff via PM?

I'm not against the guy but he has repeatedly broken trust in different ways. I really enjoy his gaming talk though.

However, due to the people involved I think the admin have made a poor decision. Not to let him back, but to do so without at least taking it to blue member to vote. They pay towards the place so should have had a say IMO.

[Shozuki]

Like I keep saying, I made mistakes but felt trapped given the lack of a home and my mother in ill-health. I am sorry hence I was more then happy to make good on the people I let down.

All is paid/compensated, I've laid bare in public my entire situation. At this point I don't know what more I can do, I was offered the opportunity to comeback with my original username and I wanted to come clean and make right all wrongs.

If you would like to me to upload bailiff letters, mothers health documents I might as well at this point. Yes, it maybe a poor excuse sadly I just wasn't thinking straight. I'm very, very sorry. I really don't want trade access, if I did - going back to username which is tarnished through the mud would be rather pointless. I just wish to join the conversation.

This thread is destroying me (yes I deserve it) I feel it's better just to leave it alone now, I've got it all out, paid my dues and apologised. I don't know what more to do.

[Shozuki]

What's to stop Shozuki offering stuff via PM?

I'm not against the guy but he has repeatedly broken trust in different ways. I really enjoy his gaming talk though.

However, due to the people involved I think the admin have made a poor decision. Not to let him back, but to do so without at least taking it to blue member to vote. They pay towards the place so should have had a say IMO.

Is it possible to turn off my PM access? I'm more then happy that be done also.

[MrKirov]

I really don't want trade access

I find this hard to believe as you set up not one, but two alts just for that very purpose. As mentioned, had Buster not discovered the truth, this "revelation" would not have occurred, and you would still be trading away now.

However, due to the people involved I think the admin have made a poor decision. Not to let him back, but to do so without at least taking it to blue member to vote. They pay towards the place so should have had a say IMO.

Agreed.

[speedlolita]

Surely it should be up to the people affected by his behavior, why should blue members have a say? That train of thought makes no sense to me.

[dvdx2]

i didnt know about the alter egos shoz, (pretty stupid), but i do know that serious stress and depression (something many of the forum members maybe havent experienced). can make you do some very irrational and silly things. I am certainly not trying to excuse bad behaviour, but there is usually a reason for everything. Everyone deserves a second chance (or maybe we should hang everyone from the nearest lamppost for the slightest slip?). You seem genuine enough. You must be, to have washed so much dirty linen in public.

Zaki seems satisfied which is the most important thing. You did some stupid things, but its hardly crime of the century....

Respect could be a tough thing to re-gain though, especially on a fairly cliquey forum like this one and with some forum members, you will never regain it. Are you ready for the long haul matey?

[Shozuki]

i didnt know about the alter egos shoz, (pretty stupid), but i do know that serious stress and depression (something many of the forum members maybe havent experienced). can make you do some very irrational and silly things. I am certainly not trying to excuse bad behaviour, but there is usually a reason for everything. Everyone deserves a second chance (or maybe we should hang everyone from the nearest lamppost for the slightest slip?). You seem genuine enough. You must be, to have washed so much dirty linen in public.

Zaki seems satisfied which is the most important thing. You did some stupid things, but its hardly crime of the century....

Respect could be a tough thing to re-gain though, especially on a fairly cliquey forum like this one and with some forum members, you will never regain it. Are you ready for the long haul matey?

Thanks for the post! I'm absolutely ready and in honesty I'm not looking for respect, I fully except I've done many silly things. I don't wish to make more. I just enjoy posting here and contributing on gaming topics thats all I wish to do.

[MrKirov]

Surely it should be up to the people affected by his behavior, why should blue members have a say? That train of thought makes no sense to me.

Because his presence and possible re-access to the trading forum could effect everyone in the future perhaps?