United Kingdom VII: Taking Pride in Your Success

[MartyG]

Because there was no issue with that it wasn't breaking any rules and was well within the guidelines at the time - not isolating when you've been in close contact with a positive covid-19 and told to by the T&T app is completely different - it is a clear breach of protocol. And now they are self-isolating.

Quite why they thought that annoucing they weren't going to bother was a good idea in the first place is just flabberghasting.

[fishbowlhead]

Because there was no issue with that it wasn't breaking any rules - not isolating when you've been in close contact with a positive covid-19 and told to by the T&T app is completely different - it is a clear breach of protocol. And now they are self-isolating.

Quite why they thought that annoucing they weren't going to bother was a good idea in the first place is just flabberghasting.

Why is this surprising? They do as they please and have done the entire way through lockdown?

[Neon Ignition]

The u-turn is now mostly to the benefit of other people they'd have come in contact with, from the outside the damage is done now

[MartyG]

Why is this surprising? They do as they please and have done the entire way through lockdown?

Because this is Barnard Castle levels of bad optics.

I'd have to agree that the U-Turn is just damage limitation - but it shouldn't haven't been neccessary in the first place.

[Nu-Eclipse]

Because there was no issue with that it wasn't breaking any rules and was well within the guidelines at the time - not isolating when you've been in close contact with a positive covid-19 and told to by the T&T app is completely different - it is a clear breach of protocol. And now they are self-isolating.

Quite why they thought that annoucing they weren't going to bother was a good idea in the first place is just flabberghasting.

No it wasn't within the guidelines. It just wasn't, I'm sorry. That's revisionism.

The lockdown/restrictions guidelines were clearly stating at the time to stay local in the first best instance. The Government themselves put that out there. Going from one end of London to the other definitely isn't local by any metric whatsoever, especially when your locality has the THREE biggest public parks in London.

And as we saw, all that did was further embolden the public to stop compliance. As will all of this come tomorrow onwards.

You're correct about the protocol breaching of the T&T app though.

[MartyG]

It was local - it might not be your definition of local, but it was within the guidelines - it wasn't "one end of London to the other" it was less than 10 miles and there could be all sorts of reasons like security for doing so that we're not even aware of.

I'm not going to criticise when it isn't warranted, there are plenty of worthwhile and blatant things to criticise the government over - that definitely wasn't one of them, so we'll simply have to disagree.

[Nu-Eclipse]

It was local - it might not be your definition of local, but it was within the guidelines - it wasn't "one end of London to the other" it was less than 10 miles.

Dude, it literally wasn't local. By anybody's definition and ESPECIALLY by the definition of those actually living in the capital.

10 Downing Street (South-West London) and The Olympic Park (East London) are in different boroughs. You're crossing the Thames to get from one to the other.

That is pretty much one end of London to the other.

[MartyG]

Sorry, not getting into this - we'll just have to disagree.

[Nu-Eclipse]

I'm not going to criticise when it isn't warranted, there are plenty of worthwhile and blatant things to criticise the government over - that definitely wasn't one of them, so we'll simply have to disagree.

Sorry, not getting into this - we'll just have to disagree.

That's your call, but for me it thoroughly is warranted criticism because it ties precisely into the notion of the government setting out rules during this pandemic and then bending/breaking them repeatedly when it suits them. This leads to the public rightly getting p1ssed off with the hypocrisy and then stopping compliance - something that we are clearly seeing play out before our very eyes.

[MartyG]

It is my call, and my call is there are better things to criticise the govement for than Johnson going for a 10 mile bike ride, far far far better things.

[Asura]

Sorry for the unparliamentary language but this just takes the p***.

Someone tell them not to apologise for this, and to punch IN THE FACE anyone in the chamber who tries to tell them off for it

Start by replacing "the right honourable gentleman" with "the lying sack of **** I see before me" when referring to boJo

[MartyG]

Boris Johnson is a lying sack of ****e - he's a repugnant individual as are most of the current cabinet. No need to apologise for that - we don't have an obligation to avoid that language, it's only not allowed to be used when in the houses of parliament.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/uk-covid-cases-could-hit-200000-a-day-says-neil-ferguson-scientist-behind-lockdown-strategy-england

The Professor who was behind the UKs lockdown planning says daily cases may hit 200,000

[charlesr]

It's ****ing sickening that they now know they can TRY to get away with stuff, to push the boundaries, and then just U Turn without recompense if it didn't turn out quite as well as they'd hoped.

Meanwhile, we are a few weeks behind the Netherlands. History tells us that no one learns from other people's mistakes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100295326

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/18/keir-starmer-expected-to-back-purge-of-far-left-labour-factions

We may actually be finally set to see some movement of a kind with Labour - Starmar is expected to support a purge within the party of the far-left elements that backed Corbyn.