UFOs exist, or do they?

[huxley]

Dont look up!

[Cassius_Smoke]

“These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it a spacecraft if you will, non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed,” Mr Grusch told NewsNationNow.

Mr Grusch served as the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency’s senior technical adviser for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) analysis with Top Secret/Secret Compartmented Information clearance, according to The Debrief.

This guy has testified under oath to Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General called his claims “urgent and credible”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ufo-whisteblower-david-grusch-b2352358.html

[MartyG]

Uhuh. He's also claiming that government has dead alien bodies, and that it's a global conspiracy that everyone is in on.

Pictures or it didn't happen.

[QualityChimp]

Finally!

The endless investigation into the truth that's out there has been unearthed by the peerless journalism of *checks notes* NewsNationNow.

[MartyG]

The guy is not completely devoid of credibility, but he is taking legal action against the US government at the moment (specifically it's a legal complaint against the DoD).

The source of the story actually comes from The Debrief

Edit: it is News Nation who are supposedly releasing a serialised podcast of an interview with him (he spoke to them after The Debrief's story was published). Quite why they can't just release the whole thing with just one set of sponsored content I'm not sure.

He's not actually seen any of this stuff himself - it's just stuff he's been told by other people, so it's all hearsay. No documents, no materials or chemical analysis and locations, program names, and other specific data conveniently remain classified and unleaked.

[Cassius_Smoke]

The whole thing is fascinating. I just want to know. Show me the Greyskin tech!

[MartyG]

The same stuff has been rolling around the internet for decades - I saw stuff like this posted on Usenet back in the late 80s. It's like people have been sniggering and going, that Grusch fella, he'll believe anything you tell him - let's see if we can make him run off to Congress, here take some of these papers to him I found on alt.alien.visitors

Billions of people around the world have cameras and yet still no one has been able to get this photograph.



Do I believe there's a possibility of life elsewhere in the universe? Yes.

Do I believe that sentient aliens are getting into Ubersaucers, traveling billions and billions of miles, leaving their fellow citizens to age faster than they are due to time dilation, curving spacetime with the vast supplies of energy it requires, to visit Earth like it's Buckingham Palace, then crashing because they miscalculated their final approach, allowing covert organisations to deploy to recover the debris and alien bodies, and somehow all the world's governments are able to cover it up and keep it secret for decades? No. No, I don't.

[Cassius_Smoke]

The same stuff has been rolling around the internet for decades - I saw stuff like this posted on Usenet back in the late 80s. It's like people have been sniggering and going, that Grusch fella, he'll believe anything you tell him - let's see if we can make him run off to Congress, here take some of these papers to him I found on alt.alien.visitors

Billions of people around the world have cameras and yet still no one has been able to get this photograph.



Do I believe there's a possibility of life elsewhere in the universe? Yes.

Do I believe that sentient aliens are getting into Ubersaucers, traveling billions and billions of miles, leaving their fellow citizens to age faster than they are due to time dilation, curving spacetime with the vast supplies of energy it requires, to visit Earth like it's Buckham Palace, and somehow all the world's governments are able to cover it up and keep it secret for decades? No. No, I don't.

Then the question is:

What is AARO investigating? What are the orbs and craft the US government has published admitting they don't know what they are?

There are things in the sky. People see them. The Airforce has seen them. What the hell are they?

[MartyG]

Weather balloons, Venus, meteorites, experimental aircraft, ISS, unusual natural phenomena, tiredness, and fatigue, desperation to believe we're not alone in the universe.

[Neon Ignition]

So Grusch believes that the US Government holds the ability to retrieve alien technology and specimens and also to keep it secret from the domestic and international community for decades?

But not the ability to silence him or the news story?

Hmm... uh-huh


Hats off the aliens though, appearing tens of thousands of times per year in nations all around the world but managing to never once appear in over a populated area where they can be photographed clearly.

[Cassius_Smoke]

Things have moved beyond the old rhetoric of crazy people saying their cows are being abducted. The US government has admitted objects in the sky, in their airspace, that they have no explanation for.
Weather balloons, stellar objects and experimental aircraft might explain most of them, but it doesn't explain the videos the government themselves have released.
These things are being seen over populated areas, videos have been put out for decades. Again, most can be explained away, but the ones that can't used to get ridiculed as 'Oh its just lens flair from a crazy person' and that's been the narrative for so long that we just don't believe anything we see anymore. Recently some interesting videos have been put out that are worth a look.

I'm not saying it's aliens. Just that the discussion has progressed now to acknowledgement by the US government of unknown Arial objects existing in its airspace.

[MartyG]

That's not what Grusch is saying though. Grusch is saying governments have been collecting alien craft and alien bodies for decades and have been covering it up and lying to the public about it.

Not the same thing at all as an unexplained phenomenon waiting for a reasonable (and mostly likely non-extraterrestrial) explanation. Investigating these is just due diligence.

[QualityChimp]

The guy is not completely devoid of credibility

Yet he's releasing his story in a serialised podcast and he's not actually seen any "alien" material himself?

I don't think this will be the megaton we're hoping for.

[wakka]

I am once again begging Cassius_Smoke to read Mirage Men by Mark Pilkington or Revelations by Jacques Vallee.

Personally, although I think it's very unlikely that we have been visited by extraterrestrials, I keep an open mind about what some aerial sightings might really have been - beyond the usuals of ball lightning, lenticular clouds, unusual aircraft, Venus, and so on.

But these two books are great, well researched insights into how the US Government has been happy to allow or encourage spooky UFO stories proliferate, and why because something about UFOs is coming from a 'government source' doesn't make it particularly creditable.

IMO, Grusch has all the hallmarks of someone who's been given some thrilling made-up info and is guilelessly spreading it. Why he would be given it, I'm not sure, but it's a lot likelier than alien spacecraft really being stored here on Earth.

[Neon Ignition]

The inability to explain every single 'sighting' is an expected statistical normalcy based on outcomes derived from available data, never a window to assume aliens are the answer.

Thank god mankind has never made a habit of inserting their beliefs or hopes into explaining away that of which they don't have an immediate answer to!

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