UK Energy Costs

[Cassius_Smoke]

None of the prices are coming down. Too many people getting rich.

[Asura]

None of the prices are coming down. Too many people getting rich.

That's what's depressing - when does anything ever get cheaper?

In my experience this is exceedingly rare.

[Neon Ignition]

National Grid will pay households to shift electricity use to avoid blackouts | Energy industry | The Guardian
So in effect the winter energy plan is... rationing...

[fishbowlhead]

Great job the gov has done of the infrastructure of this country, 2022 and were facing possible blackouts in the winter.

Well good f*****g luck with the economy if businesses have to shut down because they have no power.

[Neon Ignition]

UK doctors demand pay rise of up to 30% over five years | Doctors | The Guardian
Doctors want 30% pay rise

I want 80% pay rise! 140% pay rise! The winner is the highest bidder right?

[Lebowski]

UK doctors demand pay rise of up to 30% over five years | Doctors | The Guardian
Doctors want 30% pay rise

I want 80% pay rise! 140% pay rise! The winner is the highest bidder right?

you sound like a tabloid or that stupid dinosaur woman, what these strikes are about is not unreasonable.

The rail workers where asked to take longer shift rotation and they want to remove most of their overtime pay for working unsociable hours, (time and a half, down to time and a tenth) this was on top of being told their will be compulsory redundancy's and no pay rises this year. they haven't had rises for the last 3 years. This is at a time when the railways are making massive profits and paying out stupid bonuses to boss and shareholders.

BA pilots agreed to take a 10% pay cut over Furlough BA have not reinstated wages back to pre covid levels and kept the paycut for all its staff now the airlines are absolutely packed out and demand is outstripping supply, BA staff want this 10% cut to their wages removed, its not as if their asking for a rise they just want to be paid their full salary again.

Massive profits and 100 millions pound bonuses should not go hand in hand with redundancy's and wage suppression.

[Neon Ignition]

They're not unreasonable but they are entirely unrealistic and ultimately more damaging to any potential gains than helpful. Pretty much every single sector can recount a history of hurt wages and conditions over the last few years. I work in a sector where at the place I work there's been precisely three 0.5% wage increases in the last 14 years. It's entirely reasonable that I should be on approx 50% more but I full well know the answer everyone would get for asking for it too.

There will be pay rises as many sectors need to attract staffing but it won't be anything close to the levels being called for and it will be accompanied by massive workforce cuts in the coming 1-2 years.

The key thing working against any of the current strikes is there's little public sympathy as everyone is affected and the last 5 years have shown there's no way any business or body is going to commit to a costs based roadmap for the next 5 years given how clearly things can go sidewards. As long as COVID, recession, Russia and cost of living are in play it'll be solely moves to protect the 1%ers. It's wrong but it won't change.

[Asura]

there's little public sympathy as everyone is affected

I've never understood this, though. Why do people feel this way when they see others asking for more money? Is it a British society/culture thing?

When I see people on strike, I think "wow, they're motivated - maybe I should be more forceful with my employer", not "why are they so special".

[Neon Ignition]

It's the joys of the British Really a strike is pretty much just a dynamic between the employees and the employers but I think, particularly when public services are involved, there's so much bleed over for those with a stake in it that the public perception becomes a key bargaining chip. Have it behind you and the employer is more likely to buckle due to service/brand damage, not and they'll hold steady and the employees will cave as they're ultimately out of a job otherwise. For the public it all rests on personal inconvenience. If you're on minimum wage, facing £100 a week fuel costs to get to work, a two year wait for that treatment you need - it's hard to sympathise for someone who is perceptively better off than you and directly affecting your life in a negative way via their demands regardless for how correct that person is because they themselves are being mistreated by their employers and subject to the same pressures just in a less 'in their shoes way'

[Lebowski]

They're not unreasonable but they are entirely unrealistic and ultimately more damaging to any potential gains than helpful. Pretty much every single sector can recount a history of hurt wages and conditions over the last few years. I work in a sector where at the place I work there's been precisely three 0.5% wage increases in the last 14 years. It's entirely reasonable that I should be on approx 50% more but I full well know the answer everyone would get for asking for it too.

There will be pay rises as many sectors need to attract staffing but it won't be anything close to the levels being called for and it will be accompanied by massive workforce cuts in the coming 1-2 years.

The key thing working against any of the current strikes is there's little public sympathy as everyone is affected and the last 5 years have shown there's no way any business or body is going to commit to a costs based roadmap for the next 5 years given how clearly things can go sidewards. As long as COVID, recession, Russia and cost of living are in play it'll be solely moves to protect the 1%ers. It's wrong but it won't change.

No public sympathy? and unrealistic what planet are you on RMT boss Mick Lynch has become a superstar for absolutely slaying it all last week, asking your staff to take a pay-cut after 3 years of no wage rises while also telling them their shifts are getting longer to compensate for all the staff their laying off is unreasonable when a companys handing out 400 million in profits to shareholders and 100 million in bonuses to one person.

CEO's thinking they can keep squeezing and reducing staff even when they record massive profits is the problem. If everyone says nope I'm not funding you ****ing me over with my wages then it stops. Its not a massive leap to link the two together.

[Lebowski]

It's the joys of the British Really a strike is pretty much just a dynamic between the employees and the employers but I think, particularly when public services are involved, there's so much bleed over for those with a stake in it that the public perception becomes a key bargaining chip. Have it behind you and the employer is more likely to buckle due to service/brand damage, not and they'll hold steady and the employees will cave as they're ultimately out of a job otherwise. For the public it all rests on personal inconvenience. If you're on minimum wage, facing £100 a week fuel costs to get to work, a two year wait for that treatment you need - it's hard to sympathise for someone who is perceptively better off than you and directly affecting your life in a negative way via their demands regardless for how correct that person is because they themselves are being mistreated by their employers and subject to the same pressures just in a less 'in their shoes way'

See again you show your lack of understanding of the situation, its not drivers that are striking, its the lowest paid workers that are striking ffs man educate yourself your just looking stupid now.

[Neon Ignition]

Mike Lynch is a notable figure within the rail strike bubble but not to your average joe. Likewise, I'm not disagreeing about the strikers circumstances simply that the cold harsh reality of what the business world works like and how it operates ably demonstrates why the targeted pay rise percentages aren't going to happen.

As a final note, I'll happily educate further on the rail strikes... had we been discussing them at all in the first place.

[Neon Ignition]

Firefighters could strike over 'insulting' 2pc pay rise offer (msn.com)
Firefighters begin to head towards strikes

[Lebowski]

As a final note, I'll happily educate further on the rail strikes... had we been discussing them at all in the first place.

you only really know what your talking about once you've skated with it

[fishbowlhead]

Don’t know what you guys are moaning at your clocking up a grands worth of MS points a day 😁


Also GP’s are going on strike due to having to work on Saturdays now, since you can’t get an appointment anyway I don’t think anyone will notice their on strike to be honest, normal service will resume.