UK Energy Costs

[Cassius_Smoke]

There really has to be a breaking point and I feel like we've got to be very close to it. Even where we're at now, I'm on a good salary and energy costs are absolutely kicking my ass. Any higher and I could be in trouble. It's got to be hurting a lot of people right now and especially vulnerable people in poverty. They simply won't be able to pay - it won't even be a choice to resist. So what happens then?

And if the bills are kicking your ass now, what's going to happen in October?
My estimate is that come October my electric bill will be close to the cost of my mortgage.

[Cassius_Smoke]

Yeah I'm one of them. Not putting it on unless the house of visibly damp.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-08-28/nearly-one-in-four-wont-turn-on-heating-this-winter-as-energy-bills-soar

[Dogg Thang]

And if the bills are kicking your ass now, what's going to happen in October?

Mostly I will be cold and in the dark.

[fishbowlhead]

The whole country (not just a few) need to stop paying their bills, and all employers need to stop paying all taxes & staff paye (so that goes back to staff), every single one of us, all together, to cripple the government, we can then install an interim until a new system is put in place to stop these morons getting anywhere near power again, the military can take emergency power for the time being.

Everyone in government that has allowed this to happen should also be hung in public as a lesson to any future system that thinks it can do the same to the country.

It’s realistically the only chance of a change being made that will have any lasting effects with real ramifications.

[Nu-Eclipse]

the military can take emergency power for the time being.

WTF???

I was with you until you totally lost me with this. Don't ever, ever, EVER want a military dictatorship under ANY circumstances, thanks but no thanks.

Get the Tories out, then absolutely insist that the next Government push through PR voting going forward.

[fishbowlhead]

The whole system needs taring down and building back up. Anything else and your left with a half arsed same people same crap deal, nothing will change.

At least the military have laws that they all have to strictly obey and adhere to, politicians have re-written all laws that have any ramifications to them.

I know which one i trust more.

[Cassius_Smoke]

One problem this country has with overthrowing the government is that the City of London acts pretty much autonomously, almost like a separate country. So overthrowing the government will just result in the City going ape**** with the banking and ****ing the country even harder.

[Nu-Eclipse]

At least the military have laws that they all have to strictly obey and adhere to, politicians have re-written all laws that have any ramifications to them.

This right here is pretty much you saying that you have no idea whatsoever about how military coups and dictatorships work without saying "I have no idea whatsoever about how military coups and dictatorships work". If you did, you simply wouldn't be proposing such a thing. Go look at history and see how well they've worked elsewhere in the world (big spoiler: they haven't).

Again, I agree with you in so much that the system isn't working. This ain't the solution for fixing it though.

[Nu-Eclipse]

One problem this country has with overthrowing the government is that the City of London acts pretty much autonomously, almost like a separate country. So overthrowing the government will just result in the City going ape**** with the banking and ****ing the country even harder.

The North and the Midlands tore down the Red Wall and voted for Brexit in 2016 and Boris in 2019 though.

There's a lot wrong with the power balance in the capital, and you rightly allude to the major financial institutions in London having too much influence, but laying all blame at the feet of London is lazy.

[Cassius_Smoke]

The North and the Midlands tore down the Red Wall and voted for Brexit in 2016 and Boris in 2019 though.

There's a lot wrong with the power balance in the capital, and you rightly allude to the major financial institutions in London having too much influence, but laying all blame at the feet of London is lazy.

You misunderstood. I'm just pointing out that the City has its own Police Force, its own council and its own Mayor. Its effectively runs autonomously from the rest of London.
Theoretically over throwing the government will still mean having to overthrow The City too, or else, as a people, you still don't control the whole process.
Also, I'm sure if the government is overthrown, the monarch will then default become the head... So they need overthrown too....

[Nu-Eclipse]

You misunderstood. I'm just pointing out that the City has its own Police Force, its own council and its own Mayor. Its effectively runs autonomously from the rest of London.
Theoretically over throwing the government will still mean having to overthrow The City too, or else, as a people, you still don't control the whole process.
Also, I'm sure if the government is overthrown, the monarch will then default become the head... So they need overthrown too....

Not being funny, but every major city/region in the UK has its own Police Force, Local Administrative Government and Mayor that runs autonomously, so that's a thoroughly redundant point right there. I'm pretty sure that the government act on behalf of the Crown in any case. The monarch's powers are ceremonial in all but name.

That said, I'm definitely no great lover of the Royal Family. The idea of the UK becoming a republic is another conversation IMO.

The point I'm making is that, for all that is obviously so very wrong with UK politics and governance, the electorate still clearly have power if they so choose to wield it - as we clearly all saw with Brexit and the 2019 General Election - major political votes where The City of London wasn't the deciding factor.

[Cassius_Smoke]

People don't have any power.
You think 51% of the population voted for Brexit because they were informed and shown all the facts, or were they fed a load of horse **** and voted the way they were told to vote?
You think people voted for the tories in 2019 because they were the best option and had it all, or did they get voted in because people were told Corbyn was a communist and the game was rigged in their favour?
In theory we have power. But in practice people as a collective are easy to manipulate and have no power.

[buster_broon]

for me i recently had a quote from Scottish power who state that they are 100% renewable from wind farms around the UK but still want £300 a month for power

seems doesn't matter what the situation is globally people pounce where they can make quick money

[fishbowlhead]

This right here is pretty much you saying that you have no idea whatsoever about how military coups and dictatorships work without saying "I have no idea whatsoever about how military coups and dictatorships work". If you did, you simply wouldn't be proposing such a thing. Go look at history and see how well they've worked elsewhere in the world (big spoiler: they haven't).

Again, I agree with you in so much that the system isn't working. This ain't the solution for fixing it though.

It’s already a dictatorship, only we have multiple morons in power out for themselves, writing all wrongdoings out of any law possible that could prosecute them of have any effect, this is a fact and has already been done.

Any other politician that calls them a lier and presents evidence is immediately told to apologise and retract, there’s plenty of vids of this happening all the time, its beyond a joke. They are all also riddled with Russian money, riddled with it.

So yes, I’ll take disciplined professionals that actually ARE subject to laws and regulations, that have also earned their place (rather than being given it from their mate jhonsey they met at Oxford), over the current bunch of monkeys, actually thats an insult to monkeys, any day of the week.

[Nu-Eclipse]

*snip*

Proposing militia rule over actual democratic voting reform?

Thank f**k you're not in charge is all I can say.

Jesus wept.