UK X: Who Wants To Live Forever

[Neon Ignition]

Putting Braverman back in as Home Secretary is about as much as a full stop on where Sunak stands as is needed

[charlesr]

Yes, I agree. It's not quite getting Obama is it.

[Hirst]

I'm not saying that it is fair that an extremely rich person should be excluded from being the Prime Minister of a country where a good 20 million or so people could be classed somewhere between fairly poor and complete poverty, but it is a bit like leaving your steak on the resting board for 10 minutes and leaving the family dog in charge of it.

[Yakumo]

My big problem is that the Tories will absolutely hang a sign on Sunak being Asian and weaponize it.
'You can't disagree with him, you're just being racist!'

Nah, people just need to be clear when they point out that what they are disagreeing with is simply because it's bollocks. Bugger all to do with colour. Man, does this even hold any ground these days? White, Black, Asian, Hispanic and so on. Who cares, we're all human. Some dicks some not.

[Asura]

Nah, people just need to be clear when they point out that what they are disagreeing with is simply because it's bollocks. Bugger all to to with colour. Man, does this even hold and ground these days? White, black, Asian, Hispanic and so on. Who cares, we're all human. Some dicks some not.

Did you see this?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-students-filmed-shouting-japanese-222749778.html

I want to see some more details; apparently it was at Southamption Uni.

[MartyG]

Quite - and it's not as if Sunak hasn't been in the public eye for the last 12 years. It didn't happen when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer, and there were plenty of reasons for criticising then, so very much doubt it's going to start happening now.

[Yakumo]

Did you see this?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-students-filmed-shouting-japanese-222749778.html

I want to see some more details; apparently it was at Southamption Uni.

I'm sure that will make it to the news here. Man, Chinese are so brainwashed. While the Chinese students are total dicks, we can't blaim them as they know no better. Or then again, they may know better but refuse to believe. Either way, what a bunch of dicks! Taiwan is not China, never has been and should never be so.

[Neon Ignition]

The idea of being so indoctrinated in an anti-Western dictatorial mindset... yet studying in a western country...

The Taiwan thing is such an oddity against the PR machine of Xi as well. The people should be wondering why, if Xi is so great and Taiwan is so much part of China, is he incapable of governing it. Either he's weak or incompetent by definition or... full of it and it isn't part of China. There's no getting around the facts. The obsession so, so many people have in simply handing over their trust and rational thinking to leaders, without any benefit or reason to do so, is a damning reflection of the human race.

[Asura]

The idea of being so indoctrinated in an anti-Western dictatorial mindset... yet studying in a western country...

Some of the stuff I see related to China/the west is creepy. There's a documentary online about a Chinese company running a factory in the US. All the management are Chinese and they have classes for their Chinese staff, where they use this metaphor of the American workers being like prize donkeys; they say that Americans are praised from birth for mediocrity, and that to get them to work, you have to praise them for quite basic things - "you stroke the donkey's fur in the right direction and it'll work for you".

The whole thing is really, really creepy.

[wakka]

Arguably no different to the pejorative way Westerners openly talk about the Chinese - the two posts above you refer to them as brainwashed and indoctrinated.

[Hirst]

Back in Uni my missus was a Hong Kong Chinese. I knew one guy at that time who was a Chinese Mainlander and my missus barely spoke to him, said it was a dialect and cultural thing. Eventually it turned out that it was because they didn't really like each it other - he was always trying to goad her about his admiration of the Chinese government and spoke openly about how Hong Kong was part of China and what-not.

He was bloody good at Dynasty Warriors though.

[Asura]

Arguably no different to the pejorative way Westerners openly talk about the Chinese - the two posts above you refer to them as brainwashed and indoctrinated.

Yeah, but those westerners aren't working in China, in charge of teams of Chinese people. They're generally people in their home nations looking at modern Chinese culture from afar.

I would hope English people actually working in China would have a more nuanced perspective on Chinese people.

[Neon Ignition]

Yep, from the position of being outside of China such statements are broadstrokes referring to the broad support clear dictatorial figures use and abuse, same as when discussing the likes of Putin etc. Whilst there's a lot of history and how those cultures got from their pasts to how they are now the root cause is still grounded, particularly in its modern incarnations, in the state and state media influencing the mindsets of the people from birth. It's not that dissimilar to religious belief, where the vast majority of religious believers only have their faith because it was indoctrinated on them from a young age by family, school, state, church etc. Or on home terms, the same in being a devout Tory or Labour voter... or Liverpool FC fan

[Cassius_Smoke]

The idea of being so indoctrinated in an anti-Western dictatorial mindset... yet studying in a western country...

The Taiwan thing is such an oddity against the PR machine of Xi as well. The people should be wondering why, if Xi is so great and Taiwan is so much part of China, is he incapable of governing it. Either he's weak or incompetent by definition or... full of it and it isn't part of China. There's no getting around the facts. The obsession so, so many people have in simply handing over their trust and rational thinking to leaders, without any benefit or reason to do so, is a damning reflection of the human race.

Yep. If it was part of China why are they firing missiles over it and surrounding the seas with vessels? Is America doing that with hawaii?

[wakka]

Yeah, but those westerners aren't working in China, in charge of teams of Chinese people. They're generally people in their home nations looking at modern Chinese culture from afar.

I would hope English people actually working in China would have a more nuanced perspective on Chinese people.

Maybe, maybe not. My point is that the Chinese people come in for a good slagging off all the time in Western media - brainwashed, indoctrinated, and creepy, so far this morning in this thread - and generally we think nothing of that. I wonder how might some Chinese people feel reading those posts. Maybe a similar reaction to how you felt watching that scene of the documentary.

It's not really surprising that Chinese people's perceptions of Westerners might be similarly negative or broad-brush to Westerner's views of them. Both sides believe strongly in their own moral superiority.