America & the World V: DOGE Business

[fishbowlhead]

I’m not surprised. But I’m still very disappointed.

Welcome to my every day.

[charlesr]

As if the US was ever going to elect a black woman as president.

This ^^
Even if she hadn't been thrown in at the last minute.

[Asura]

Trump won the popular vote too. I think we now need to accept an ugly truth.

Americans are right-wing.

Americans are authoritarian.

Americans want to be ruled by a corrupt ruler who says what they want to hear.

Like it's not people's racist uncle or a minority of malcontents now. It's the majority of the voting public.

They went out that day and voted for Donald Trump. You know; the walking corpse, orange-skinned, reality TV star.

Apparently, also, the split showed that a majority of white women voted for Trump, but an even larger majority of white men voted for him. Which suggests to me something else; with Trump's opponent beuing a woman, I can't get over the idea that a big enough chunk of America believes something that allows me to say the following without much recourse: America considers women to be lesser than men.

They want the candidate they think will improve their lives and the rest is just noise.

Maybe. But that won't merit them an ounce of sympathy when they find out how wrong they were; they had plenty of chances to figure that out.

[charlesr]

On the one hand "protect unborn, ban abortions". On the other hand "We don't care about them once they are born though. Don't ban guns".

I think the abortions thing must be like UK's imgrunt boats distraction. We can't tackle the real issues, so let's get everyone wound up about this other thing.

[Brad]

The 2020 vote was the outlier for the Dems. In 2020 they got 20m more votes than usual, probably because of what a **** up Trump was. 4 years later everyone's forgotten.

[Neon Ignition]

Well, we may not know much of what the Democrats will do next but we know one thing for sure... they're next nominee will be a white guy

[fishbowlhead]

That’s “whitest guy” under the trumcabulary, thanks.

[QualityChimp]

I feel worse today than I did yesterday as it all sinks in.

America is one of our biggest trade partners and Trump is talking about hiking up trade tariffs.
Well, at least we haven't isolated ourselves from our nearest and biggest trade groups...

[Neon Ignition]

US special counsel to wind down criminal cases against Donald Trump | US elections 2024 | The Guardian
24 hours after the result and all of the criminal cases against Trump are predictably being washed away

TRUTH, JUSTICE and the AMERICAN WAY
All three already dead

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/nov/07/us-election-2024-live-updates-donald-trump-victory-kamala-harris?page=with:block-672c47fb8f08040dded39ab3#block-672c47fb8f08040dded39ab3

Taiwan has said that it will offer support to any China based companies wishing to relocate to Taiwan in the face of Trump's proposed 60% tariff rate threat

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/nov/07/us-election-2024-live-updates-donald-trump-victory-kamala-harris?page=with:block-672c71038f082be82baf13b6#block-672c71038f082be82baf13b6

Speculation that Trump's tariff plans may lead Europe into a full recession in late 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/nov/07/us-election-2024-live-updates-donald-trump-victory-kamala-harris?page=with:block-672c8b488f081ed4eda7b87a#block-672c8b488f081ed4eda7b87a

Robert F Kennedy has plans to axe entire departments of the FDA


I'm still prepping myself mentally for the notion that this thread is likely to return to updating at a much higher rate for the coming few years thanks to the stupidity of Trump era politics.

[egparadigm]

I'm still prepping myself mentally for the notion that this thread is likely to return to updating at a much higher rate for the coming few years thanks to the stupidity of Trump era politics.

charlesr give that man a pay raise. 💵

[fishbowlhead]

US special counsel to wind down criminal cases against Donald Trump | US elections 2024 | The Guardian
24 hours after the result and all of the criminal cases against Trump are predictably being washed away

TRUTH, JUSTICE and the AMERICAN WAY
All three already dead

Told you all so, whole thing was for show.

[charlesr]

Told you all so, whole thing was for show.

And backfired - the whole thing made him more popular

[egparadigm]

Told you all so, whole thing was for show.

Wasn’t for show. They’re accepting the inevitable. It would be a waste of money to continue the prosecution because Trump will drop the charges when he get in.

I guess the State cases could continue, in theory, if he doesn’t pardon himself.

[wakka]

“It should come as no surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them… While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right,” he said. “Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?… Probably not.”

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Pretty much what I said yesterday. You can get angry and despondent at Trump voters, or you can recognise that social justice + right wing neolib economics is not a winning formula because it doesn't speak to the issues that are most important to the largest number of people.

The only way that America (and the UK) will have a durable platform for social liberalism is through genuinely leftist economic policy.

Will we ever get it? It will be a tough fight. We will need charismatic leaders and a popular movement to overcome the thin layer of oligarchs and corporations who wield all the influence.

I guess like Sanders says at the end of his tweet, stay tuned.

[Baseley09]

You can be sure that the majority of Americans don't give 2 hoots about DEI, gender issues, liberal race equalisation. They want a return to traditional values and voted in their numbers for it.

They've got an orange morally dubious tv man in charge, he may not produce the goods but he's been on message this election.