America & the World V: DOGE Business

[egparadigm]

If it's going to be Harris, the best thing they could do is make her president as soon as possible by standing Biden down. Three to four months of incumbency will be extremely valuable and will help to make her feel less of an unknown quantity to swing state voters.

Hm... I'm not sure. A similar scenario didn't do Sunak any favors.

[Neon Ignition]

Yep, the problem is that anytime a party has changed nominees at this point it has cemented their loss. It would be a historic first for a Biden replacement to win the race which will be what's fuelling the hesitance and why the move seemed daft.

Biden is President right now, a week or two ago people weren't making such a fuss so it's clear that the country is in better hands with him in any capacity rather than Trump.
The verbal gaffs aren't new and they occurred during an epically long speech that showed that he has mental capacity that is clearly fine.


However

The take aways by the media are now showing a terminal issue - Biden and the Democrats have now completely lost control of the narrative. No-one is listening to what they say, just waiting for the next gaff and that clearly isn't going to get fixed now. That Trump lies, can't recall his own wife's name, is almost the same age, is incorrect and makes similar gaffs constantly etc doesn't even register thanks to the inherent bias the media has.

That's before Trumps many other issues that should be the central message right now. The only good thing to cling to is that this noise has drowned Trump out of the news so he isn't getting attention in the meantime - a situation that makes clear that his campaign is genuinely worried about the idea of Trump not facing Biden in November.

Biden voters won't switch to Trump, fence sitters probably largely won't either. Instead apathy will lead to non-voters and with Trumpers being so galvanised he'll win via low turnout.

It will likely not work and the reasonings of the celebs and politicians who jumped on Biden so fast are fairly flimsy but with the coverage now having spiralled into chaos it's likely the only dice the Democrats have left to roll.

[wakka]

Hm... I'm not sure. A similar scenario didn't do Sunak any favors.

It's true that an incumbency advantage isn't as strong if you weren't voted in in the first place (although Harris was at least on the ticket that people voted for in 2020).

But if Harris would be moved to pole position for the election, I don't see any reason to limp along with Biden as the president until November. You'd need to get her front and centre right away, looking as presidential as possible, and get Biden out of the picture.

[MartyG]

It's a no-win situation now. These are too consistent from Biden now and he is showing himself clearly to be unfit. And yet to run a new candidate now would be a nightmare scenario. Kamala Harris likely can't win due to the obvious misogyny and racism in the country. Rallying behind someone else at this point would be incredibly hard. It's going to fall apart.

And yet all that said, even if Biden didn't know who he is for most of the day, I'd take him over Trump.

Yes - and that all points to Trump getting reelected :/

The verbal gaffs aren't new and they occurred during an epically long speech that show that has mental capacity is clearly fine.

Biden has clearly been having "senior" moments, and it's not going to get better as time goes on. You only need to look back at how he was even at the start of his presidency to see things have changed. Remember, this is the single individual who decides whether to launch missiles in that 6 minute window and Trump is leading the polls.

[Lebowski]

Yes - and that all points to Trump getting reelected :/

Biden has clearly been having "senior" moments, and it's not going to get better as time goes on.

They both have theirs slip, ups theirs recent clips of trump at rallies saying he's going to beat Obama and ranting about Hillary Clinton or just going off on weird rambling tangents, stumbling over words or completely forgetting how to pronounce things. Neither are at the peek mentally, bidden is getting most of the heat for this stuff though.

[MartyG]

Trump hasn't declined in the same way Biden has. Most of his gaffs are because he's an utter baffoon.

[Dogg Thang]

Yep, it's true. He's consistently awful. And as a result of his inane ramblings having always been there, he is also held to a far lower standard and is still delivering what his voters want. In fact, he's probably delivering more of it this time around because he's got even more venom and has been emboldened over the last few years. In spite of his slip-ups, nonsensical sentences and baffling brazen lies, he's not showing decline the way Biden has been. That's a real problem.

[Nu-Eclipse]

The verbal gaffs aren't new and they occurred during an epically long speech that show that has mental capacity is clearly fine.

You're Obama in disguise. You have to be to genuinely think that.

This simply isn't true and you know it isn't.

[fishbowlhead]

You know things have turned to crap when the choice is between,

A white guy in his 80’s that’s a proud black woman.

or,

A psychotic loon that will do anything for money and has most likely been taking Russian money all along, AND has already incited a full blown coup that he’s gotten away with.


Decisions decisions.

[Nu-Eclipse]

A white guy in his 80’s that’s a proud black woman.

Who thinks that Mitterand is still the French President.

Mental capacity clearly fine though.

[Neon Ignition]

You're Obama in disguise. You have to be to genuinely think that.

This simply isn't true and you know it isn't.

His age is definitely affecting him and I don't feel a frailing 81yr old and a coronary on legs 78yr old should be where America rests on it's survival come November but we're talking about an 81yr old who has a speech affecting impediment and made a couple of word slips in a one hour conference

https://youtu.be/NFCbn6bgeVM

He's cognitively slower, less able to respond quickly to questions off the cuff, manage his stutter etc but if he had the kinds of mental conditions he's being accused of there's absolutely no way he'd be able to function at the public level he is. His errors in wording are also not remotely new, he's been doing this stuff for donkey's years.

I don't think he should be running again, the arguments made that he had pitched himself as a transitional one term President originally is how it should have played out and the Democrats will definitely need to think hard and early about 2029 but I do think he's their sole shot now at beating Trump and that the polls suggesting they remain tied are correct.

[Neon Ignition]

Alec Baldwin’s Rust shooting trial dismissed after lawyers say evidence was withheld (msn.com)

[Neon Ignition]

New York judge dismisses Rudy Giuliani’s bankruptcy case | Rudy Giuliani | The Guardian

[fishbowlhead]

Someone tried to assassinate trump, I say tried, because the disgusting flesh slug is still alive, no news on whether he was hit or someone else.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-rushed-off-pennsylvania-stage-after-pops-ring-out/ar-BB1pW1LD?ocid=emmx-mmx-feeds

[Yakumo]

Someone tried to assassinate trump, I say tried, because the disgusting flesh slug is still alive, no news on whether he was hit or someone else.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...emmx-mmx-feeds

At least someone in America understands the **** the country will be in if he's president again. I'm just surprised it's taken this long for an attempt.