It's definitely refreshing to see, the shift from an incumbant nominee is supposed to be deadly but if the momentum carries on it could be a hell of a highlight of just how tired many are of the circus over there. The Republicans will be lost if he loses again, the entire primary focus for him isn't their best interests but his own attempt to escape the court cases and debtors that are now pounding at the door. He'll melt down if he faces 4 years of facing that instead of the White House whilst the Republicans have tied themselves to him to such an excessive level they will be in crisis because it's near impossible to continue that way without the 'brand' of the man himself to lead it, they literally have no-one who can carry that same MAGA fanatic enthusiasm - Hopefully a Tory style collapse would be the result
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Yeah, if he loses, first of all, he's done politically - a two-time loser at that point. And secondly, just as you say, it leaves the Republicans effectively gutted out. Many of them, including lots currently professing undying allegiance, will be glad to see him go I think. But they will be faced with a Tory-style challenge to basically rebuild their party from the ground up to be in any way credible again.
There was an interesting op-ed from legendary Republican svengali Karl Rove in the WSJ a couple of days ago. You can totally feel how much this guy hates Trump and wants him to lose so they can rebuild a 'normal' Republican party, imo.
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Well they were fact checking live every thing Trump said at the NABJ interview, so it would be interesting to see them do the same at the debate.Lie with passion and be forever damned...Comment
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Okay, so watch this clip of TRUMP, then watch it again at 0.5 speed for that authentic drunken uncle effect...
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Microsoft has corroborated a report that Iran is believed to have hacked the Trump campaignComment
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Kamala Harris is more trusted with the economy than Trump according to a new poll
Musk will interview Trump live on X tomorrow. Said to be unscripted it showcases the extent of ego and far right push that Musk is now pushing the platform into.Comment
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How Musk can claim Google is guilty of election interfering when he's interviewing Trump and has posted over 50 misleading posts, with no community corrections allowed on them and his Grok AI is saying thing like the ballots are closed, when they're not.
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Musk shows his incompetence as an interviewer by allowing Trump to freestyle most of the interview, meaning that Trump wastes nearly all of his time rambling about tired old subjects. Musk also lets the mask slip and lobby's for a position of involvement in Trump's Government.
"Now that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are off the air, Kamala Harris campaign spokesman Joseph Costello had this to say about their interview:Donald Trump’s extremism and dangerous Project 2025 agenda is a feature not a glitch of his campaign, which was on full display for those unlucky enough to listen in tonight during whatever that was on X.com. Trump’s entire campaign is in service of people like Elon Musk and himself — self-obsessed rich guys who will sell out the middle class and who cannot run a livestream in the year 2024"Comment
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Musk has done nothing but interfere with the election even going so far as to shut down or pause accounts he and trumple didn’t like.Originally posted by QualityChimp View PostHow Musk can claim Google is guilty of election interfering when he's interviewing Trump and has posted over 50 misleading posts, with no community corrections allowed on them and his Grok AI is saying thing like the ballots are closed, when they're not.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/05/p...k-x/index.html
Twitter should be completely shut down at this point the absolute cess pit of human thought vomit.Comment
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And another 16m net loss (this quarter alone) for trumples Ponzi scheme social media site.
If this really was being run as a genuine business and not a slush fund for trumple to dip into then the investors would be screaming fraud right now, but their not, why’s that I wonder.Comment
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538 combined polling now has Harris/Walz on a 2.8% national lead, up from 2.1% last week.
Of special note is that North Carolina, formerly comfortably polled as R by 6+ points during Biden's campaign back in July, has now shifted dramatically to a statistical tie. A few weeks ago it was a worry that Dems would hold onto crucial swing states they secured in 2020 - now they're looking more comfortable and it's actually looking like places like NC might actually flip this time too.
Hopefully Trump keeps doing whatever disastrous **** he's doing, playing to the Elon dork manosphere and safe states like Montana instead of crushing non-stop rallies in swing states like Harris.Comment
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It's curious if the Musk chat made any difference.
Obviously Dem voters won't be swayed, but I wonder if on-the-fence voters (once who are historically Republican, but unsure of Trump) saw something they liked in what he said or something distasteful (they downplayed the danger of nuclear energy, joking about eating vegetables in Fukushima and saying because people live in Hiroshima now, "Yeah so it's not as scary as people think.")
How do non-zealous Republican voters see the chat? Not bothered because it's not raising any new points or maybe they were a bit taken aback that it sounds like Trump had taken his false teeth out. After months of berating Biden for being old and conditioning the voters that old = bad, now he's the one appearing to look old, plus the rumours of him needing adult nappies don't seem to be slowing (although some Trump supporters have attended his rallies wearing them "real men wear diapers".)
It feels like the Harris-Walz campaign just has to progress on an even keel as you can sense that Trump will do something stupid before voting day to alienate voters further.
I should also add that I'm really enjoying this time of relative political quiet in the UK. Obviously people are pointing at Labour as soon as the riots started, but they've been swift to act.
I'm hoping if Trump fails, he'll fade away into obscurity with only his cult members listening to him on his dwindling Truth Social platform (until it merges with the dwindling Twitter), then America can focus on the job in hand, rather than showboating and being vocal about everything whilst not actually doing anything.Last edited by QualityChimp; 14-08-2024, 08:13.Comment
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It's an interesting question. My instinctive view personally is that it will have been highly ineffective in converting floating voters. The talking points were old and well-trodden ones, and while Harris and Walz are sticking closely to their own script, theirs has the advantage of being only a few weeks old and feeling considerably fresher. Trump is still trotting out talking points from his 2020 campaign about how a Dem win will mean World War 3.
He also showed himself to still be unable to find an attack line on Harris, and again proved himself totally weird by going on a tangent about how hot he thinks she is.
I do think we are reaching the point Harris has to augment the rally hype with a decently long unscripted interview with a major network. The campaign is obviously picking their moment to do that and it feels like it's going to be post-DNC (which is now five days away), maybe pre-debate.Comment
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Speculation on my part but I think, this time around, there are probably very few "on the fence" or floating voters. Trump is exactly what he is, in plain sight and has been since he got in back in 2016. He's not even "that guy from the Apprentice" any more. Those days are long gone. He obviously has a large number of devoted MAGA followers and they will buy into everything, no matter how ridiculous, fascisty or whatever. But I'm struggling to believe there are many people who, like back in 2016, may be thinking "well maybe he'll shake things up" or "maybe he won't be so bad" and so on. As you're getting at, QC, he has done everything to alienate people who aren't all in on the nonsense. And where once there at least seemed to be a strength in his stupid rhetoric, it feels like he's floundering now. It's possible to admire someone you vehemently disagree with but I don't think that's possible with Trump in 2024.
I just have to hope that the numbers of his devoted followers aren't high enough to win.
Edit: Taking this thought a step further, if they aren't already doing it (they might be), I reckon the Democrats should be appealing to Republicans by saying, if you want a Republican government that sticks to your values, vote for us because it will send Trump and his supporters a message, could reset the Republican party and you can ride it out for the next four years and then win next time with a far better party and far better candidate. In essence, a vote for the Democrats now is a vote for a better Republican party later.Last edited by Dogg Thang; 14-08-2024, 10:09.Comment
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I agree. Trump is a known quantity now, and it's a dramatically different situation. 2016 voter energy in both the UK and the US was to 'stick two fingers up at the establishment' (they thought) by voting Brexit and Trump respectively. Eight years on and the majority of people now have a clear eyed view of exactly how that went. There's no novelty or excitement to either concept any more.
Trump does enjoy a sizeable cult of personality, but they still represent a minority and they are not a large enough bloc to win an election on their own.
What was looking like it was going to kill Biden - apart from old age - was his inability this time around to motivate voters. It would have been those who stayed home who really put Trump in the White House. With Harris, it feels like there's a real shot of getting many of those people sufficiently engaged.Comment
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