UK XI: A Bug's Life

[Protocol Penguin]

Hunt ‘knowingly and deliberately’ lied about finances, says Reeves | Rachel Reeves | The Guardian
Reeves says Hunt and the Tories lied about the state of public finances and tried to cover it up. Hunt says Reeves and Labour are lying about the state of public finances now.

But who's telling the truth?

Reeks of set up and would make sense of why the Tories were so intent on the notion of Labour raising taxes despite the math not supporting it, laying a financial bomb to sabotage their plans and then put on a 'See! We were right!' reeks of the,

We’ve got just another austerity government. Just rather than a Tory government blaming Labour (Cameron/Osborne) we have a Labour government blaming the Tories (Starmer/Reeves). Same ****, different arseholes, basically. And the vulnerable in society are going out be the ones to suffer.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/30/some-taxes-will-have-to-rise-in-30-october-budget-says-rachel-reeves

[fishbowlhead]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-rachel-reeves

Alcohol & fags, done, people will piss and moan but ultimately carry on being alcoholics & addicted to nicotine.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/31/huw-edwards-pleads-guilty-to-making-indecent-images-of-children

[Yakumo]

Southport stabbings: eight people treated for stab injuries after incident – latest updates (theguardian.com)

This surprisingly made the news over here too. Awful stuff.

[Neon Ignition]

Police clash with far-right protesters as demonstrations spread across UK – live (theguardian.com)
The photos could be of the same riot, the same scrotey identikit racists...

[dataDave]

The photos could be of the same riot, the same scrotey identikit racists...

I don't think things are quite as black & white as the news is making out. I know a few regular people that went to protest, and they did so peacefully.

[Nu-Eclipse]

I don't think things are quite as black & white as the news is making out. I know a few regular people that went to protest, and they did so peacefully.

Are you referring to "regular people" of the left-leaning or right-leaning persuasion??

[Asura]

I don't think things are quite as black & white as the news is making out. I know a few regular people that went to protest, and they did so peacefully.

I don't agree with that. You can't go to a protest which turns violent, or during a wave of violent protests about the same cause, and say it's not violent just because you're not violent. If you're opposed to violence, you have to immediately and loudly communicate that once it kicks off. You need to act to police your own movement and excise those violent elements or (1) you're not really opposed to it which is too close to approving of it or (2) people looking-in are certainly going to believe point #1.

When GamerGate was around, sure, there generally were some odd things going on in games journalism and not everyone who supported it was a violent, manosphere-humping misogynist. But too many people were the aformentioned wankers, and using the 'journalism' thing as a smokescreen to be violent towards women - and if you supported the movement, you were saying that's not a deal-breaker for you.

This country has issues with immigration. Not even from some xenophobic/racist perspective; I just mean the amount of money we're spending on hotels and the issues successive governments have created, undermining the services that handle immigration in the same way the Tories ****ed the NHS (i.e. make it worse and worse over a decades until the public asks you to do away with it, i.e. "social engineering"). But going out to "protest" in the hottest week of the year while your compatriots are out torching libraries is not going to get your message across.

[Dogg Thang]

I think the real message comes through loud and clear, no matter how some want to dress it up or justify it to themselves.

[Golgo]

People justifiably blaming the likes of Robinson and Farage for firing up these Nazis, but I'd like to see it acknowledged in media and by government that the slogans they are chanting are directly from previous official Tory policy and communications. 'Stop the Boats', 'Take Back Control', etc. Patel, Braverman, Sunak and the rest should be called out on it. Funny how there's no sign of 'em - they're quiet as mice now.

[Asura]

People justifiably blaming the likes of Robinson and Farage for firing up these Nazis, but I'd like to see it acknowledged in media and by government that the slogans they are chanting are directly from previous official Tory policy and communications. 'Stop the Boats', 'Take Back Control', etc. Patel, Braverman, Sunak and the rest should be called out on it. Funny how there's no sign of 'em - they're quiet as mice now.

Cowards, all. They want to see what way the crowd is moving before running to the front and claiming to be the leader.

[Nu-Eclipse]

People justifiably blaming the likes of Robinson and Farage for firing up these Nazis, but I'd like to see it acknowledged in media and by government that the slogans they are chanting are directly from previous official Tory policy and communications. 'Stop the Boats', 'Take Back Control', etc. Patel, Braverman, Sunak and the rest should be called out on it. Funny how there's no sign of 'em - they're quiet as mice now.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: It goes back further than Braverman, Patel and Sunak. Theresa May, Amber Rudd, Sajid Javid were maintaining the status quo of the Tory "Hostile Environment" policy long before that, and that's the tip of the iceberg.

Classic Tory ideology baked into the cake.

[Nu-Eclipse]

This country has issues with immigration. Not even from some xenophobic/racist perspective; I just mean the amount of money we're spending on hotels and the issues successive governments have created, undermining the services that handle immigration in the same way the Tories ****ed the NHS (i.e. make it worse and worse over a decades until the public asks you to do away with it, i.e. "managed decline").

FTFY.

And let's not pretend that this issue with immigration wasn't mainly engineered by fourteen years of austerity enforced by Cameron & Osborn for political point-scoring.

Nothing (social housing, social security, armed forces, NHS, council services, etc) works because it has been starved of cash for a decade and a half-plus. Blame the foreigners for it!

[egparadigm]

I support asylum seekers for a charity in Bristol, so the issue is personal to me. One of the hotels that has been used to house asylum seekers was attacked last night. I will check tomorrow whether any of my clients have been affected, I sincerely hope not. I hope every asylum seeker in Bristol knows that they are welcome here and that these thugs do not represent popular opinion. Certainly my experience when canvassing in the election is that most people are empathetic and the hardliners are a small minority. People who have been forced to flee their country do not deserve all this bull****. Those responsible must pay.