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    Rishi Sunak’s king’s speech to include hardline criminal justice measures | King's speech | The Guardian
    As the Tories prepare to allow all 12 month domestic violence abusers skip jail time, Sunak will promise tougher sentencing for murderers and rapists

    Drug that can halve breast cancer risk offered to 289,000 women in England | Breast cancer | The Guardian

    EU poised to water down new car pollution rules after industry lobbying | Automotive emissions | The Guardian

    Organisers of pro-Palestine march in London fear Met poised to impose ban | Israel-Hamas war | The Guardian
    This last one has to be by far the biggest non-story of the week. Slow clap to Cruella for once again stirring up the racial hatred and making yet another political distraction story

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      Covid taskforce had no warning of ‘eat out to help out’, inquiry told | Covid inquiry | The Guardian
      Sunak didn't bother to check if his Eat Out scheme during the pandemic would cost lives

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        Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
        Rishi Sunak’s king’s speech to include hardline criminal justice measures | King's speech | The Guardian
        As the Tories prepare to allow all 12 month domestic violence abusers skip jail time, Sunak will promise tougher sentencing for murderers and rapists
        Theyare proposing giving powers to the police to enter your property without a warrant, if they suspect stolen goods to be in the property. Giving the police unrestricted access to every property in the UK Without due process. I'm sure that will go well considering how trustworthy the police are these days its not like rapist and murders and pedophiles haven't been coming out of the wood work.

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          This one doesn't surprise me in the least, the EU have history here as they did something roughly similar in the late seventies I think it was.

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            Labour frontbencher Imran Hussein has quit the party in opposition to Starmers refusal to call for a ceasefire

            Claims and conspiracies, and pulling the trigger on Johnson: Dorries’ book tells all | Nadine Dorries | The Guardian
            Dorries has launched the book she wrote rather than doing her job. As expected it contains no facts or revelations, instead focusing on her opinions and conspiracy theories as she continues her obsessive focus on Johnson and presumably why he chose Carrie over her. In the book Johnson offers quotes continuing his theme of zero accountability for why the party is dead on its feet. She says that she heard from a colleague that a womans rape by a Tory MP was covered up by the party (note Johnson doesn't get blamed by her for this). Also that Gove, Cummings, Sunak etc - everyone is illuminate always plotting the demise of Johnson.


            Is Braverman trying to get sacked? Some Tory insiders think so | Suella Braverman | The Guardian
            Braverman is speculated to be spouting racist nonsense in an effort to be sacked by Sunak as she feels it will aid her efforts to take over as party leader.


            Bibby Stockholm: number of asylum seekers to be housed on barge reduced | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian
            The number of asylum seekers the barge can hold has been reduced from 500 to 425. The barge now costs more per day, per seeker than keeping them in hotels

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              Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
              Claims and conspiracies, and pulling the trigger on Johnson: Dorries’ book tells all | Nadine Dorries | The Guardian
              Dorries has launched the book she wrote rather than doing her job. As expected it contains no facts or revelations, instead focusing on her opinions and conspiracy theories as she continues her obsessive focus on Johnson and presumably why he chose Carrie over her. In the book Johnson offers quotes continuing his theme of zero accountability for why the party is dead on its feet. She says that she heard from a colleague that a womans rape by a Tory MP was covered up by the party (note Johnson doesn't get blamed by her for this). Also that Gove, Cummings, Sunak etc - everyone is illuminate always plotting the demise of Johnson.
              I'm really curious to know something... Well, it's dark knowledge that if I knew the answer, I'd probably wish I didn't know, but still...

              Is the thing about Nadine Dorries being absolutely desperate to jump into bed (not figuratively) with Boris Johnson just something the media/people say, or is it really true? I've seen those pictures where she seems to look at him longingly from across the Commons, but you know how it is; go through a few minutes of footage of anyone and I'm sure you can pull out a frame which makes them look longing, or asleep, or deranged.

              Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
              Bibby Stockholm: number of asylum seekers to be housed on barge reduced | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian
              The number of asylum seekers the barge can hold has been reduced from 500 to 425. The barge now costs more per day, per seeker than keeping them in hotels
              Tory base won't care. Like with the Rwanda thing; they don't see this as a place to send refugees to help them; they see it as a place to send them to be miserable and either leave or die.

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                With Dorries, she does seem genuinely obssessed with him. There's nothing to confirm she harbours feelings for him but it seems like an easy reach mostly because it's so hard to think of why she is so fanatical in her support of him. He 100% doesn't return that support but she's followed him to the bitter end regardless. It's a genuinely unnerving connection she has for him

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                  It says absolutely everything about how the system works.

                  If you wanted a promotion, would your strategy to get that promotion be based around being fired from the same job twice?
                  In politics that's how it works


                  And if speculation is that Cruella is trying to be fired to clear way for her to bid for party leader post-Sunak is true then that seems to be working as her hate speech escalates and the Tories confirm that she failed to clear her decried article in the Telegraph with No.10 - disowning her position taken in it.



                  Sunak should fire her and then when anything like the Barge, Rwanda, small boats etc blows back on them use her as a scapegoat for why its failed thereby making her unelectable in a leadership contest.


                  I'm sure GBNews have a contract ready for her waiting

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                    Osborne claims Sunak has twice come 'very close' to sacking Braverman already, and suggests he should do so now
                    their playing the would the public support us if we did this card, i expect to see her gone by Monday

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                      Despite everything I feel like she's played her card completely wrong. I think that the ERG types who she feels supported by aren't remotely as powerful a force as they once were and she's poisoned her reputation so much in lining herself up that I don't think there's a huge chance she'd win the job. Even if she did I don't think there's one iota of chance she'd ever become PM

                      Sunak is gone in any scenario so the decision should be less about her and more how manageable the right wing nutters in his party will be once she's gone compared to the growing mess she's making staying

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                        Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
                        Despite everything I feel like she's played her card completely wrong. I think that the ERG types who she feels supported by aren't remotely as powerful a force as they once were and she's poisoned her reputation so much in lining herself up that I don't think there's a huge chance she'd win the job. Even if she did I don't think there's one iota of chance she'd ever become PM

                        Sunak is gone in any scenario so the decision should be less about her and more how manageable the right wing nutters in his party will be once she's gone compared to the growing mess she's making staying
                        The elephant in the room is shes stoking racial hatred while being the wrong colour for a lot of the people who agree with what shes doing. BBC now pushing the story this morning as its main headline on the radio (about the calls to sack her) Sunak looks weak if he doesn't and adds more instability to his goverment if he dose.

                        I wonder who they will get next, people thought Patel was bad then Braveman came in and said "hold my coat" surely they need to wind it back a bit floating slums, Rwandan punishment camps, homelessness as a lifestyle choice, and fines handed out to charity's if they give homeless people tents.
                        Last edited by Lebowski; 10-11-2023, 08:08.

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                          They need to get someone who just quietly gets on with the job. If they still hold any interest in trying at all to hold on to seats in the next GE they need someone who is essentially Bravermans opposite. For all her gobbing off about things she's literally done nothing, unless they make a noticeable amount of traction there's no point them even putting the Tories into the next GE at this point.

                          Braverman's approach to politics reeks of trying to copy Johnson's path to the top but without an ounce of understanding of how he did it and why there's no scenario where she could ever replicate it.

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                            It’s a career move with no real risks. Why cling onto a clearly dying government when you could have your own show on GB News? You don’t even need to be that famous nowadays to make a career by grifting the right wing, they’ll listen to more or less anyone if they know who they are. Same with conspiracy theorists, if you were ever on TV and start saying planes are dropping chemicals to turn your kids gay, you’ll have a mansion by the end of the year.

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                              Can't see the sacking happening, and not just because Sunak is a weakling. If Sunak sacks Braverman now and it kicks off in London on Sunday, she and her cronies will use that as vindication she was 'in the right'. If it goes off relatively peacefully, he'll be hoping the farrago blows over (especially as he had a pop at the police as well so he's just as culpable).

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                                At this point he's pretty much blown it regardless of what he does. From what I can gather, for him the perfect time to axe her would be either Monday or Tuesday as it's after the protests tomorrow but just before the Supreme Court rules on Rwanda meaning that she can neither peacock if they win or promote herself and leaving the ECHR if they lose. The trouble though is in a drama you need to appear decisive and firm of mind. By dithering and not responding he's not in control of the narrative anymore and with a flawless record just looks weak - because he is. He's still a coward to the hard right of the party even though he's got nothing to lose anymore in doing what the party needs to do and telling them to sod off. Better to be ahead of the inevitable party reset than swept up with the debris.

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