UK XI: Please Sir... May I Have Some More?

[Neon Ignition]

I feel like if that happened the Tories would effectively be permanently lost. He'd drag them into a position of permanent far right which would completely give up the centre ground to Labour. He'd get the position etc of being party leader but the Tories would have to give up any hopes of getting back in power. Continuing to double down on being far right with him, Braverman, Badenoch etc is a delusional level misreading of how the Tories got into this mess in the first place.

I mean... I can see it happening because they really are that stupid at this point, but it's the last thing that they should do. If the Tories were smart enough to ride the centre-right position permanently and not be so cretinously corrupt I could imagine Labour would never get voted in again. But Tories gotta Tory.


Jacob Rees-Mogg tells young Tories party has ‘lost its way’ | General election 2024 | The Guardian
Yes. Because you you. You *****

[fishbowlhead]

First off, he used to be a Tory.

Secondly, he was openly flirting with returning to the Tories months ago when he was pictured at their main Conference! Priti Patel publicly gave him a shout-out and Sunak openly refused to rule out allowing him back into the Party - another reason I have next-to-no sympathy for the vitriolic dogwhistle racism that Sunak has suffered from Farage publicly, the exact type of racism that Sunak and the Tories openly claimed didn't exist in the UK.

It's not even about continuing to be CEO of Reform for Farage. It would ultimately be about uniting the Right fully and having the Tories fully swallow Reform (the fact that Braverman and Badenoch are frontrunners already for the Tory Leadership - both of them right-wing - shows you that this is the way they're going). Becoming Tory Leader would absolutely allow him the national platform and electoral base that Reform will likely never have to do it.

You’re giving fraggle waaaaaaay too much credit of intelligence there. He’s just a parasite floating in pond scum, latching onto whatever he floats past that will keep him afloat the longest.

[Nu-Eclipse]

You’re giving fraggle waaaaaaay too much credit of intelligence there. He’s just a parasite floating in pond scum, latching onto whatever he floats past that will keep him afloat the longest.

I think both you and Neon Ignition are underestimating him and being naive about it too. This kind of complacency is precisely how we came to Brexit.

The uniting of the right and far-right is not new. It has literally happened in other countries before and is happening in other countries currently.

With Labour under massive pressure to deliver from day one if they get into power as expected and the country/press already hugely sceptical about them (ToRiEs iN ReD!1!1!1), it really wouldn't take much for Farage to capitalise. He's likely to finally become an MP at the eighth time of asking after this week, barring a miracle that sees Clacton-on-Sea wake up.

[QualityChimp]

I do sometimes have a Sliding Doors moment and wonder where we'd be as a country if Farage had died in that plane crash.
Would Brexit still have happened without a charismatic face to push the agenda?
Would the right have found a new character to get behind?

I do wonder how Farage will get on being the MP for Clacton.
I suspect he'll use his time bellowing at anyone who'll listen to him, rather than actively working on the issues plaguing that deprived area.
He seems happier outside the tent, pissing in, and once he has to do something, it'll reveal his shortcomings to his constituents.
Part of me wants him to get in so that people get to see how he handles the role, especially based on how little he did as an MEP. I suspect he'll blame everyone else, though.

His handling of the recent undercover report on his constituents and campaigners using racist and homophobic language didn't result in him saying "BOOM, they're gone!", but getting all defensive and saying they couldn't vet every candidate, then saying he was being hounded and the BBC is biased against him after he was asked a question on *checks notes* Question Time.

Side note: Reform paid for vetting software, but didn't realise they had to actually do some input themselves, it didn't magically work.

TL: DR I can't stand the man and think he's averse to hard work, but lots of people think he's fantastic, so there's a real issue with how the electorate see the candidates and their parties.

[fishbowlhead]

I think both you and Neon Ignition are underestimating him and being naive about it too. This kind of complacency is precisely how we came to Brexit.

The uniting of the right and far-right is not new. It has literally happened in other countries before and is happening in other countries currently.

With Labour under massive pressure to deliver from day one if they get into power as expected and the country/press already hugely sceptical about them (ToRiEs iN ReD!1!1!1), it really wouldn't take much for Farage to capitalise. He's likely to finally become an MP at the eighth time of asking after this week, barring a miracle that sees Clacton-on-Sea wake up.

I’ve consistently said all of these people are universally bad for everyone and everything. I’ve also voted against them at every opportunity, i can’t really do more legally than that?

[Nu-Eclipse]

I’ve consistently said all of these people are universally bad for everyone and everything. I’ve also voted against them at every opportunity, i can’t really do more legally than that?

What am I missing here? Where did I blame you for it or ever say that you weren't doing enough legally?? What are you even talking about???

You can't have it both ways, dude. You can't say you're doing your bit to keep them out and then say they're actually not really a threat and they're being given too much credit when everything they've done thus far has literally given the political establishment sh1t-fits. Get real and start recognising that these people are for real.

[fishbowlhead]

What am I missing here? Where did I blame you for it or ever say that you weren't doing enough legally?? What are you even talking about???

You can't have it both ways, dude. You can't say you're doing your bit to keep them out and then say they're actually not really a threat and they're being given too much credit when everything they've done thus far has literally given the political establishment sh1t-fits. Get real and start recognising that these people are for real.

I've never said he and his ilk aren't threats, but he's still pond scum that's doing the bidding of others and shouldn't be attributed credit for anything, people like him are just parasites doing the dirty work of others that want to stay out the lime light, their cheap and expendable and will do anything for either fame or cash, but their still dangerous, maybe not this election, but certainly the next once they get enough pond scum all floating together.

[QualityChimp]

Polite reminder this will always be a spicy thread, so remember we're all virtual chums here, so think carefully when you're posting.
It's not a problem at present, but as the General Election reaches boiling point, it's easy to want to vent.

[Lebowski]

Polite reminder this will always be a spicy thread, so remember we're all virtual chums here, so think carefully when you're posting.
It's not a problem at present, but as the General Election reaches boiling point, it's easy to want to vent.

Flip you, you flipping flip, you can't tell us what to do......

......Whats that? he can? ok carry on.

[Neon Ignition]

2 days out from poll day and the big drama of the day really exposes just how screwed the Tories and right wing media know they are

"Starmer loves his children! What a b******!"

[Golgo]

Sunak's response to Slacker Starmer's preference to spend an evening at home with family at the week's end, "Tch, I never left work before 18:00, me!" Given ****state of everything he touches maybe he should've been clocking out earlier.

[egparadigm]

Sunak's response to Slacker Starmer's preference to spend an evening at home with family at the week's end, "Tch, I never left work before 18:00, me!"

Except on D-day. 😉

[Nu-Eclipse]

Except on D-day. 😉

And even more stupid considering that he publicly praised Starmer on LBC for maintaining a great work/life balance!

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If there is a God, he'll not only lose power after Thursday but also lose his MP seat so that he'll have no choice but to immediately resign and f--k off. Cretin.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/02/jewish-figures-criticise-stigmatising-tory-attack-on-starmer-family-time

Irony as the Tories find themselves in an anti-semitism row during a General Election

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/02/tory-canvasser-accused-of-questioning-devon-lib-dem-candidates-sight-loss

[QualityChimp]

I should be happy that all the polls are saying that Labour will take over, but I'm now a bit worried that Reform will take a massive chunk of seats.

Despite me loathing him and everything he stands for, I understand that Farage is a fantastic speaker and the electorate like a "character".
However, one man doesn't make a party. If Reform become the opposition, who'll be the Shadow Education Secretary or Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer?
It's like fielding Ronaldo and a team of 10 players that have never played football before.

Our tubby local Reform candidate looks like he hasn't seen his feet since 1997, so not sure how he'd tie his shoelaces, let alone run a constituency.
His Facebook advert sees him struggling to string a sentence together, but people think they're voting for Farage to take over, rather than the reality of someone with a very narrow political vision running our area.

In other news, is anyone planning on staying up to watch it all unfold?