Killzone 2 (Demo)

[Matt]

For me the ability to hijack enemy vehicles, deployable equipment, 4-player campaign co-op and replays were all both very innovative features in Halo 3.

Unreal Tournament, Unreal Tournament, anything else with co-op, Unreal Tournament

I'm not even joking I'm afraid. Often I find what people call innovative on consoles are staples for PC gamers, just new on the console. Also, a nice amount of polish goes a long way to making people think something is innovative. Replays are a fine example - I can't think of a PC FPS since Quake1 that hasn't allowed Replays. The difference is H3 lets 4 players see it at once. To me, that's an evolution of a feature, but sure I can see why people call it innovation.

Anyway, back to KZ2. I don't see the lack of "innovation" as a bad thing. The biggest FPS is CoD4, and that didn't do anything hugely innovative. Good story telling, an immersive single player game. Nothing wrong with that at all. The belief every new big title must innovate else it's a let down is daft. Besides, if we're calling those H3 features "innovative", then the slow, methodical style of play in KZ2 is innovative. It would have been so easy to make KZ2 a balls to the wall run and gun, but they went another way that is usual in these big budget shooters.

32 player online, a unique twist on the class system. It all makes for a different game.

As a matter of interest, given the 9.4 score on IGN for graphics, what have they rated as higher? KZ2 is a benchmark in that respect, so I want to laugh knowing what IGN deem a better If the say GTA4 I'll scream

[Darwock]

Someone said they were using a knife? Where do you get it?

[Cuber001]

That game doesn't exist, yet

Golden Eye, Perfect Dark and Halo 3 are the closest.

Am I really alone here - does nobody else prefer the more involved gunplay the games above offer to the no brainer point and shoot we see in this demo?

Dude, its an 8 minute demo!!! There are boss fights and vehicle sections in the game to break away from the shooting! In fact i think it was gametrailers that said they wish there were more vehicle sections as they were some of the best in any FPS game, as well as some awesome scripted events from mission objectives. Not to mention things for trophies and one of the best MP games around!

My advice man? Delete the demo. Forget you EVER played it. Because obviously you cant appreciate it for what it is. A very short teaser.

[Darwock]

Two more things noticed - first, there IS humour.. the dude that gives me a leg up said "watch the hair" on one go, and on the next one he said "don't drop me like last time". I guess Edge will settle for nothing less than "Have you heard the one about the three Helghans who went into a bar?"

Second, the dude who talks to you at the start sounds exactly like Clifford out of Muppets Tonight

[Cuber001]

Just played the demo again and man its a great game. Cant wait for the full game. Controls are excellent and i was popping headshots everywhere. But man those default controls are awful. They should make ALT 2 with the sensitivity turned up 2 notches and hold to zoom on. Perfect. Yeah they mimik CoD but it makes the game better.

Also just watched a video on GAF about lag and tried it out myself. And either to notice you have to record it and replay it in slow motion or there is none. Because mine didnt have any. I counted out loud when pressing the trigger and sure enough he fired. Amazing game.

EDIT: Darwock or anyone, did EDGE really mark it down for "not being funny"? Your in the middle of a massive war that has been raging for years and they want funny? Exactly what i mean when i say people WANT to hate this game . . .

Well with 1.1 million pre-orders in Europe alone, the few haters can eat pie.

[Matt]

They should make ALT 2 with the sensitivity turned up 2 notches and hold to zoom on. Perfect. Yeah they mimik CoD but it makes the game better.

I'm a big proponent of a Common Control Scheme. I think MS had the idea pre 360 launch, but alas nothing came of it. Sure, many FPS do things differently and require different functionality, but on the whole, there's no reason a more universal approach couldn't be taken. There are games with different Reload buttons which I mess up with

I want RB to be the default Reload button in every game, not X or B or whatever. That way I don't have to remove my thumb from the right stick

[Matt]

EDIT: Darwock or anyone, did EDGE really mark it down for "not being funny"? Your in the middle of a massive war that has been raging for years and they want funny? Exactly what i mean when i say people WANT to hate this game . . .

If this was a PC game, I'd do a little mod to get your squad mates to fart every so often and crack a joke. Fart jokes would automatically make the score Edge+2.

[Cuber001]

Bloody poms and their toilet humour

[jamesy]

I want RB to be the default Reload button in every game, not X or B or whatever. That way I don't have to remove my thumb from the right stick

The new RB to reload in halo3 destroys me. I still after playin quite alot hit X on the odd occasion. I'm glad to see KZ2 has square for reload. I don't see why they cant let the player map their own controls though.
Can't decide wether I like halo-type controls or cod-type controls more for this game yet. It's pretty great either way.

[Matt]

Bloody poms and their toilet humour

Oh yeah, chuck a few racial slurs in with the fart jokes!

[JP]

Although the dialogue is certainly immature, it's just a game after all, there are definitely some funny events that happen in the demo.

Just had another game now and was half way through reloading in the warehouse to hear something along the lines of "Die invader", we both did a melee attack at the same time to see both our heads get knocked backwards by the hit. He ran off to take cover behind one of the pallets with stuff on, I ran after him but went around the other side to surprise him. He obviously had the same idea and switched back so we were both going in the same direction for a lap so I changed direction and the same thing happened again with him deciding to do exactly the same thing.

It was like a scene from Benny Hill and really should have had the music playing in the background for full effect.

Some people are enjoying the demo and some aren't and I have to admit that that neither really affects me. I've played it quite a few times now, have absolutely no problems with the things that some other people seem to be as everything works just as I think it should. I spent hours playing the multi-player beta and I felt the same about...everything was just right.

If people are unhappy with it then, as it is with any other it's a shame as enjoying it is obviously better than not enjoying it but it doesn't really matter. It works brilliantly for me, it doesn't for everybody and that's just the way it is.

I really can't wait to get the full game as the two tasters I've had of it have been brilliant. Maybe when I've got the full game I won't enjoy the campaign mode because of a poor story or bad acting but I won't know that until I've played it.

[Cuber001]

Yeah why not, Racial slurs are all the more fun!

I mean i'm not buying Uncharted 2 if Nate does not say any convict jokes to that Aussie girl of his! Because Edge will mark it down and i cant possibly own a game without these things in it.

. Maybe when I've got the full game I won't enjoy the campaign mode because of a poor story or bad acting but I won't know that until I've played it.

John this is what i have been saying all along. Wait for the full game before we judge it. Yeah the demo might not be your fav thing, but remember your missing almost everything such as MP, story etc. And who knows, maybe some things will change with the retail release. Maybe there will be a patch at launch to fix some little details. Who knows. Thats why its a demo.

[Matt]

Well Uncharted2 is a PS3 exclusive, so that's a negative already.... it's got an AUSSIE in it? Well that's another -5 for a start! Don't want to promote those ex-cons. It's shaping up to be the first minus scoring game already. May as well can the development this very second

[Cuber001]

Well Uncharted2 is a PS3 exclusive, so that's a negative already.... it's got an AUSSIE in it? Well that's another -5 for a start! Don't want to promote those ex-cons. It's shaping up to be the first minus scoring game already. May as well can the development this very second

ROFL.

Probably wont even make it out of Naughty Dogs office as some Aussie doing the voice acting will pinch it anyway!

And yeah the woman in it is Aussie.

Ahhh, all this talks brings back memories. I remember playing PGR3 and PDZ at 360 launch and copping the whole sledging about being a dirty convict. Well it either that or being called skippy the bush kangaroo!

[Matt]

ROFL.

Probably wont even make it out of Naughty Dogs office as some Aussie doing the voice acting will pinch it anyway!

And yeah the woman in it is Aussie.

Resists urge to make obligatory joke about Aussie Woman with "Down Under" punchline.