Destiny 360/PS3/XBOX ONE/PS4 review

[Garny]

So at the end of the day, Bungie dont like the fact that me and many other have weapons and gear that make the new raid to easy. So i have to reset all my progress to be able to use them with the new improvements. Stop moving the goal posts Bungie every time someone plays with your toy the wrong way. ( thats how you seem to see it)

[Lebowski]

Or I'm completely wrong again hahahahaha!

No it seems your right, for two new light levels it would seem you need 3 new pieces of raid armour and a fully levelled exotic, no doubt a certain type of raid armour will be reserved for the hard raid and with a limit of one raid per week per character its gonna take most people a few raids/weeks, to get this new set of armour.

so don't expect to see lvl 32's any-time soon lol because bungies making you work/wait for it and no doubt will do again when the next dlc comes out.

[wheelaa]

Edit...It appears this datto cat is just some streamer or some such, so my original post, as below, is likely all based on some random speculation only. Gah

Seems that Bungie (someone called datto ???) have confirmed on twitter that all upgraded and new exotics will start with a base damage of 300. So that's not so bad, aside from losing the perks on existing ones.

I just hope that this is the same for exotic armour*, and that any upgrade (or new piece) starts at light rating 30. If not, given you need to have all current armour maxed at light rating 30 to hit overall level 30, well, you'd drop down to 29...not good given the new raid, nightfall and weekly will be level 30.

You could use a full maxed out raid set to stay at level 30 though, but given the helmet only drops on hard mode, this isn't as available an option for everyone.

(* Ok, from a purely selfish PoV I wouldn't care too much if upgraded or new exotic armour started below light rating 30...can muster a (or indeed multiple) level 30 for each class using just raid armour.)

When I first read the update notes this morning, felt a little miffed. But as more details emerge (if true of course) it doesn't sound as bad. There was always going to be some more grinding anyway, and it's not like I'm going to stop playing the game. Perks schmerks, bleh.

[bcass]

If what the tweet says is true, then it's the opposite of what Bungie's blog update said yesterday:

"The upgrade will reset the progression invested into the item"

http://www.bungie.net/7_The-Dark-Below-Preview/en/News/News?aid=12442

[wheelaa]

Sure, well possibly, as it depends on how Bungie defines progression.

It could be everything, so including attack power. Sad face.

Or it could be a bit more literal and just refer to the progress along the upgrade tree (xp / perks etc) that resets, but the resetting starts the weapon from a new higher base attack level. Happy face.

Similar to the recent update where bass attack level for all exotics was increased from 260 to 274, but the upgrade tree stayed the same in terms of XP needed, and obviously smaller increases in attack power with each relevant upgrade.

Although the more I think about it, surely the base attack level for an upgraded exotic will have to drop. Otherwise you could upgrade a 274 exotic to 300 straightaway (assuming you had the exotic shard, glimmer and Xur has that weapon upgrade for sale).

More info please Bungie.

Edit - http://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-Weekl...News?aid=12447
"Exotic upgrades purchased from X?r replace weaker items
Exotic upgrade paths require much less time and material
An upgraded Exotic is more powerful right out of the box"

Along with a picture of a progression free upgraded Thorn with 302 base attack.

I still can't see any confirmation that upgrading an existing exotic armour will keep it at at least light rating 30 though, although it is hopefully implied by the first and third lines in the quote above.

[Panta Rhei]

When Xur has the weapon available, you damn well deserve to boost it right away. Because trust me on this one, he won't offer an upgrade for Ice Breaker and Gjallarhorn anytime soon.

Boosting straight away is the whole point of all this. It does cost you 7 coins, an exotic shard and Xur luck. This is the exact reason why everyone with a maxed loadout is pissed off. And why people are in doubt, what to do with Exotics right now? Completely stop leveling them for now?

I actually like what they did during last patch, removing the brainless chest farming that goes against the point of this game (shooting). It made me fire up the game after 2 or so weeks of not playing. But the exotic shards idk, I was loaded with Ascendant energies. Now i'm gimped with just some 3 exotic shards or so. And ofcourse Bungie removed exotic engrams, because I had about 50 useless Motes of Light I would buy 2 Engrams for and break down.

Since launch Bungie is constantly halting players progression. They do that again by not giving daily public event packages (which for the record give out 5000xp, and more with NF bonus and telemetry), not selling exotic engrams, having to reset your exotics to square one if you want them powerful enough for HM Raid et al. Introducing Exotic Shards one day, and saying you can reset your exotics the day after (when people have burnt them) is simply bad communication.

[fishbowlhead]

Honestly bungie have proven how under prepared they were with content. The main game wasn't all that long and the raid took a while to even be switched on/activated. Even then it took a mere day to get beaten.

They have since simply kept to cheep tactics of forcing everyone to grind ridiculous amounts of hours to acheive even the simplest tasks.

Which is a massive shame as the game could of been so much more with just thoughtful and well planned (proper) content. When I say proper content I mean more planets, not the same missions but with a modifier.

Hell they were even lazy enough to include a selectable area and not even bother putting content in it, the reef.

[fishbowlhead]

Also thanks to bccass for getting me through the raid. It was pretty easy up until the point the game decided to throw me off platforms, lock me in room away from the group and then black my screen out so I was separated for basically the entire last boss.

Biggest anticlimax ever. Also thanks to bccass for showing me the chests as without them I would of been given an whole 1 ascendant shard. Yep that's right 1 ascendant shard for competing the raid, thanks bungie.

[bcass]

Yeah, it's disappointing that you didn't get any raid gear on your first run (apart from cloak and chatterwhite), but we'll go through it again next week if you like. You'll get something eventually, and you'll be glad of all the ascendant materials you'll pick up along the way when it comes to levelling up to 30. You actually did really well for your first run through, especially considering you only have rare weapons. Try and get enough Vanguard marks together to buy a legendary primary weapon as that will make a big difference when destroying the oracles in the final section.

[Daragon]

Quick question, if xur doesn't sell exotic engrams now what are motes of light used for? ****ty cosmetic upgrades?

[fishbowlhead]

Year I'm grinding new monarchy up to level 3 so I can buy a primary, though the auto rifle only has a clip of 22 the extra damage on a purple legendary will be a big help.

Honestly with 6 people I didn't think it was that hard. Obviously hard would need better weapons for me with more damage. Some of the weekly strikes on very hard with silly modifiers on the other had have been excruciatinly brutal.

[fishbowlhead]

Was just at the boss of the weekly strike and my team bailed. Efffing hate that. Grrrrr. For a game sold on its social aspect, people are so antisocial and inconsiderate.

[Lebowski]

Also thanks to bccass for getting me through the raid. It was pretty easy up until the point the game decided to throw me off platforms, lock me in room away from the group and then black my screen out so I was separated for basically the entire last boss.

Biggest anticlimax ever. Also thanks to bccass for showing me the chests as without them I would of been given an whole 1 ascendant shard. Yep that's right 1 ascendant shard for competing the raid, thanks bungie.

Sounds like you didn't stay close enough to the relic holder to get cleansed then missed going through the final gate which is entirely your fault Lol. If you beat the bosses you get accendant material, Armour or Weapons so I think you need to check your inventory more closely or go to the postmaster as there is no way you just got one accendant shard, you get accendant energy in 3s in the vault.

If you go in with your inventory full weapons armour ect gets sent to the post master.

[fishbowlhead]

Sounds like you didn't stay close enough to the relic holder to get cleansed then missed going through the final gate which is entirely your fault Lol. If you beat the bosses you get accendant material, Armour or Weapons so I think you need to check your inventory more closely or go to the postmaster as there is no way you just got one accendant shard, you get accendant energy in 3s in the vault.

If you go in with your inventory full weapons armour ect gets sent to the post master.

Nope 1 ascendant shard for doing the actual raid (not including chests). And a white shader which is entirely useless.

I've come to the conclusion that the game code detests my very existence.

[bcass]

Quick question, if xur doesn't sell exotic engrams now what are motes of light used for? ****ty cosmetic upgrades?

Nobody knows yet. Considering the large number of them a lot of us have accumulated, let's hope it's something useful.