Pokemon Colosseum - Just a quick gripe

[Moodmon]

Well, I understand you don't like Digimon. Fair enough. However...



That's a nuke cannon on his arm. Yes indeedy. Thundershock that, rat boy.

[Kristofski]

Whoa! I go away for a day and I've got so much to catch up on here...

WRT the inherited stats debate, I still stand firmly by the fact that the base stats cannot be changed for a specific race by breeding with another race. It just doesn't make sense that you'd be able to change the basic characteristics of individual races... they're what make them different!

However... what you are saying about a noticable increase from parents with higher than average stats does seem to point to inherited IVs. This means that you can get the same inherited increase by simply breeding a same-race pair with higher than average stats.

One word of warning! Don't be fooled by a lvl 50 'mon (for example) with 'high' stats into thinking that it's offspring will necessarily share the same benefits. If a 'mon has battled then it will have gained EVs and these are not passed on. The only way to see if one is 'genetically' better than another is by levelling it up with rare candys before it's even been in one battle and looking at its stats, then doing the same with others and comparing.

Like I said before, it's definately worth reading up on the complexities of pokemon breeding on gamefaqs before you dive in, thus avoiding any pitfalls.

Oh and Nips, don't worry about missing out on better stats by levelling up seven times in a go. There are only around 500 effort points available to be allocated to your pokemon's stats and you generally gain 2-5 per 'mon battled. If you think about how many battles you are in before lvl 100 you can see that you will have maxxed out the EVs way before it reaches it (usually before even lvl 60). The only way to lose out on them is if some cheating little kid uses a gameshark to get infinite rare candies and levels up to 100 without battling, they won't have gained a single EV and thus their stats will suck compared to yours.

You can find tables of what pokemon give what EVs on gamefaqs and so you can be very selective of what stats you assign to. It's usually a good idea to pump vitamins into the stats you want to boost as soon as the 'mon has hatched as it saves battling for them. Remember also that there are stats that you would not want to waste EVs on. For example, why would you bother boosting the attack of a guardevoir when you want him a special sweeper and they would be better spent on sp. attack?

Kris, can you post your pokemon team, it's a long thread and my 28k connection can't handle back tracking... I'm looking for inspiriation, a pokemon that I may have missed out (like Chansey in R/B) which is amazing that I can use in my team

Heh heh... It's top secret!! Only joking... The thing is, most of my friend's teams are based around Swampert (ground + water = STAB-ed water attacks and electric immunity!) and Kyogre (It's so strong and fast!!!1!ONE) so my team is definately slanted towards finishing those two off.

Right, here goes:

#1 Ludicolo

Surf
Ice beam
Leech Seed
Giga Drain

My prize pokemon... I've had days when I can finish whole team with him. With his water basin ability (when fighting kyogre, which 90% of the time I am), leech seed and the occasional giga drain, he's gaining stupid amounts of health every turn. Giving him leftovers would be overkill, so I generally stick with good 'ol lum berry. Giga drain can generally OHKO Swampert and Kyogre isn't a problem with 4x resistance to water. He only needs to fear flying or poison types (Zubat being a prominent problem with it's speed), in which case I just run like hell.

#2 Milotic

Recover
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Surf

Fairly standard special sweeper. I'm not too proud of the moveset (Hydro pump and surf on the same set are pointless). He seems to do best against metagrosses whos meteor mash is rendered ineffective and falls victim to surf with it's low sp. defence.

#3 Ninetails

Confuse Ray
Will -o- wisp
Roar
Fire Spin

Another one of my favourites! Recipe to **** up someone's team:

Step 1: Confuse Ray
Step 2: Will -o- wisp
Step 3: Roar
Step 4: Goto step 1

Fire spin is handy if you want to keep them there for another 'mon to attack without them switching out.

#4 Metagross

Agility
Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Sludge Bomb

I fell in love with this 'mon the first time I battled it at the end of the l33t 4. Talked about it before, but the only type it needs to fear is ground. Agility / earthquake sorts out fire-types pretty sharpish.

#5 Dusclops

Toxic
Confuse Ray
Mean Look
Rest

This moveset is one I made up myself. With over 300 on each defence, duscy makes the perfect tank. Use mean look and watch toxic drain their health away. If you give him a chesto berry, rest only uses one turn.

#6 Wobbuffet

Safeguard
Counter
Mirror Coat
Encore

If you bear in mind that his special ability prevents the enemy from switching out, and the fact that he's got over 550hp you can see that Wobbuffet is quite a formiddable opponent for Sweepers of all kinds. Safeguard is handy too.

Um.... kinda running out of time but that's the basics of my team. It's by no means perfect but it certainly does me at the moment. I can't wait for FR/LG to come out so I can get all my old favs.

Oh, and wrt Digimon... loved the first tv-series! The on-going storyline and character interactions really did it for me. Much better than pokemon IMO. The later series' were pretty meh though...

Later!

K.

[Crispin]

That's a highly impressive team. You have learnt much, grasshopper.

But don't forget, Wobbuffet is ****ed against Tyranitar and any other Dark type pokemon. Mirror Coat is psychic type, so won't work against Tyranitar when it uses special attacks, and counter will only work against physical attacks. Which of course, the Tyranitar trainer won't be using....

Yeah, Wobbuffet is the only pokemon that can out HP snorlax. I remember going toe to toe with one once and nearly shat my pants, till I remembered what type mirror coat is.

Still, very, very impressive. Imagine it. Online Wireless multiplayer on a DS. Mmmm.

[bowser123]

That Ludicolo sounds awesome Kris.
I've never used him before, its special ability of gaining HP and increased speed when raining is a trait I never knew about. Definitely one I'm going to train up

That reminds me, the Pokemons ability aspect is something that hasn't been touched on yet. I thought they were a very good addition to the games, it adds more power to every Pokemon without taking up a move space. Some of the more useful ones I use are Linoone's Pick Up which gets items at the end of some fights, Alakazams Synchronize that means that any status changing moves are also inflicted on the caster and Lanturns Illuminate that makes encountering rarer Pokemon easier.

[bowser123]

Has anybody got any tips for good Pokemon to train up to make it easier to catch Pokemon in R/S? I can remember a move from an older game that reduced HP to 1, but can't seem to find it in R/S

[Kristofski]

But don't forget, Wobbuffet is ****ed against Tyranitar and any other Dark type pokemon. Mirror Coat is psychic type, so won't work against Tyranitar when it uses special attacks, and counter will only work against physical attacks. Which of course, the Tyranitar trainer won't be using....

Very true. The same goes for ghost types and counter. He's also screwed if theres a fast 'mon with a status effect like toxic or will -o- wisp that they use before I can safeguard. I tend to use him most against people I haven't played me much before and are taken off-guard by him as he's fairly under-used. For other people who have worked anti-wobbuffet stratergies into their teams I've got a guardevoir that kicks a lot of ass.

One thing I'm looking for, for my team atm is a 'spiker' the only ones in r/s are skarmory and cacturne which imo pretty much suck. Does anyone know any decent 'mon that can learn it as an egg move?

Has anybody got any tips for good Pokemon to train up to make it easier to catch Pokemon in R/S? I can remember a move from an older game that reduced HP to 1, but can't seem to find it in R/S

IIRC, Sceptile (the grass starter) learns false swipe which is the move you're after.

K.

[nips]

Thanks for that Kris, I may take some pointers from that :P.

You may see a few of those popping up in my team :P

[nips]

If you give him a chesto berry, rest only uses one turn.

Is this Dusclops only? That could be really good with my Kingdra!

[bowser123]

I'm in the middle of training up some Pokemon and the Zangoose I traded (using for False swipe) for is levelling up with extended points because he's from another trainer.

Do Pokemon that level up faster ultimately end up as good as the same Pokemon caught and trained by me but quicker? Or do their speeded up stats suffer for being trained by a different trainer to the one that caught them?

Don't want to get to level 100 to find out it would have been better breeding it earlier to get my own caught and trained Zangoose.

[nips]

Can Zangoose breed with one of these to create a baby of a different race, with Fury swipe which then learns a sleep move?

Field Egg Group
004 - 006 Torchic
010 - 011 Poochyena
012 - 013 Zigzagoon
022 - 024 Seedot Plant
036 - 038 Slakoth
045 - 047 Whismur Monster
061 - 062 Skitty Fairy
069 Mawile Fairy
078 - 079 Electrike
099 - 100 Wailmer Water B
101 - 102 Numel
105 Torkoal
110 - 111 Spoink
112 - 113 Sandshrew
114 Spinda Human Shaped
123 Zangoose
124 Seviper Dragon
145 Kecleon
152 Absol
153 - 154 Vulpix
156 - 157 Pikachu Fairy
158 - 159 Psyduck Water A
164 Girafarig
165 - 166 Phanphy
169 - 170 Rhyhorn Monster
173 - 175 Spheal Water A

[bowser123]

Nips- My guide says these Pokemon can breed with Zangoose and get False Swipe as an egg move (it was false swipe you wanted to get the enemy down to 1hp right? You said fury swipe which Zangoose can't learn )

Zangoose obviously
Seedot
Mawile (Ruby only BTW)

AFAIK none of them can learn sleep moves I'm afraid.

[mrfrosty]

[QUOTE=Kristofski]

#6 Wobbuffet

Safeguard
Counter
Mirror Coat
Encore

If you bear in mind that his special ability prevents the enemy from switching out, and the fact that he's got over 550hp you can see that Wobbuffet is quite a formiddable opponent for Sweepers of all kinds. Safeguard is handy too.

[QUOTE=Kristofski]

Wobbufet is ALWAYS a really bad choice, cos you don't even have to attack it cos it can't do first strike. If it's ever in a party you're fighting, just ignore it. It can't do **** unless it's got perish song..

[Kristofski]

I beg to differ... if you're fighting someone who's obsessed with sweepers and they bring one out that you know has only got offensive moves, they're absolutely screwed. It's amazing how many times I've destroyed the opponent's main attacker with it. But like I said before, if you bring it out against 'mons with status effect moves, you're screwed.

K.

[Bassman]

Fired up the Pokemon Stadium 2 for N64 which arrived yesterday. Makes an interesting comparison to Collosseum. Has more similarities, I suppose, to Pokemon Box that came with the Gamecube pack with Collosseum. Had to resort to trying my Gamecube composite cable (the one that came with the GC - I prefer RGB). Worked perfectly with the N64.

[Crispin]

http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/en/GB/news/article.do?elementId=f83d2250-e6b3-4952-b1a9-b60dad68349a

Berry patch fix. Send it into Nintendo and you receive a surprise! So either Jirachai or possibly the monkey thing. Well, it would be nice, but what with Royal Mail seemingly hiring only thieving scum at the mo, I for one would not want to send in all that data to NOE's Uk base of operations.