why all the Sony hating?

[Matt]

I'd agree with these statements. Microsoft are concentrating on connecting people via online with different mediums/systems i.e. mobile phones, consoles, etc

But mate, that's because MS want a device under every TV in the world, controlling their house. They are NOT doing you any favours, they're trying to integrate in to everything.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again - they're all as bad as each other. Everyone needs to get over it and grow up, open their eyes and realise that brand loyalty is stupid.

[Wools]

Sony have very few franchises/games people truly love. They have Team ICO, who are always amazing, but little else. Nintendo have the best development and franchises in the world; can you imagine people getting excited over the annoucement of a new Gran Turismo game as they do over a new Zelda, Mario, or Metroid?

It's all opinion though isint it?

I dont believe Nintendo are the best Development team or have the best franchises, also their franchises are becomming old and tired. Luckily their trying some new stuff with the DS.

And lot's of people do get excited over the next GT. No one should look down on GT as it's a racer or for any other reason. A new, brillant, beautiful game made by passionate people about their subject. Sound like anyone you know?

Everything else you mentioned is valid about Sony though.

[Team Andromeda]

Sony themselves have made like 3 good games this generation, it is absolutely pathetic in terms of output compared to other companies.

Thats you view , and for what its worth I think you're wrong :P. GOW, ICO, Shadow Of Colossus are some of the best games I've played in any gen. Then add inthe likes of Jak and Daxter, Ape Escape 2/3, Siren II, This Is Football Ball 2004/5, Flipnic, Fanatvision , Hot Shots, Primal , WipeOut Fusion , Eye Toy Drop Ship (To name but a few) and SONY been one of the most improved and most productive publshers/developers this gen

[Kotatsu Neko]

It's all opinion though isint it?

I dont believe Nintendo are the best Development team or have the best franchises, also their franchises are becomming old and tired. Luckily their trying some new stuff with the DS.

And lot's of people do get excited over the next GT. No one should look down on GT as it's a racer or for any other reason. A new, brillant, beautiful game made by passionate people about their subject. Sound like anyone you know?

Everything else you mentioned is valid about Sony though.

Nintendo series do generate a lot of passion in many gamers though you must admit, and that's something I've yet to see with much coming from Sony.

Remember the E3 press conferences this year? (or any year for that matter) With Sony it's dull as ditchwater, and the crowd was virtually asleep. With MS things were better, but with Nintendo it was akin to a rock concert with whoops and cheers and everyone thrilled with what they were seeing.

I really think that feeling is reflected through much of the dedicated gamer community.

[the_dude]

But mate, that's because MS want a device under every TV in the world, controlling their house. They are NOT doing you any favours, they're trying to integrate in to everything.

That's just it though, everyone else is concentrating on there own niche, apart from Sony. I've said it before in a previous thread in that a single format would be better for the consumer, this single format could be controlled by a committee formed by those that control the indusrty today (and those who maybe want to join).

These firms aren't interested in doing this (single format) and are greedy bastards and want the industry for themselves.

[Wools]

Nintendo series do generate a lot of passion in many gamers though you must admit, and that's something I've yet to see with much coming from Sony.

Remember the E3 press conferences this year? (or any year for that matter) With Sony it's dull as ditchwater, and the crowd was virtually asleep. With MS things were better, but with Nintendo it was akin to a rock concert with whoops and cheers and everyone thrilled with what they were seeing.

I really think that feeling is reflected through much of the dedicated gamer community.

Yep, there is no question Nintendo have the most passionate following of all three developers but I feel a lot of it is down to loyalty. I have huge respect for Nintendo and although I am really worried where Nintendo is taking it's games with the Wii and DS I have all the respect in the world for them by daring to devieate.

I feel that Microsoft have gained the most respect from me as it's making the best traditional games and has good Public relations. Nintendo are being the most original and have learned not to underestimate Europe and the US in ecent years. Sony are the most trechorous and arrogrant off all three with a feeling thet they dont give a **** about anyone!

However there's two sides. Hardware and all the bollocks that goes with it and the software. Just like any other developer and publisher their is some crap to be found but on the whole, personally and publically, they are pretty dedicated to make some brillant games and get them out to people.

[Team Andromeda]

I would say the reasons for the Sony hate are pretty clear to see, and could pretty much be summed up in a few lines:

- Sony are by far the most arrogant of the 3 console companies. Mad Ken and Super Ego Harrison regularly claim their total supremacy and put down the competition to such an extent if can't help but annoy people. Harrison famously dismissed the DS as a total non event, a gimmick, a waste of time which the PSP would flatten.

- Sony copy almost all pf their ideas from Nintendo and Microsoft. Yes all companies borrow and improve existing ideas, but Sony have been so blatant of late *everyone* is amazed as their ordasity.

- The PS3 is ridiculously overpriced. For a machine which is no more powerful than an XB360, it's pricing again reeks of Sony arrogance.

- Sony have very few franchises/games people truly love. They have Team ICO, who are always amazing, but little else. Nintendo have the best development and franchises in the world; can you imagine people getting excited over the annoucement of a new Gran Turismo game as they do over a new Zelda, Mario, or Metroid?

Can't agree with any of that. You want then Hiroshi Imanishi takes the piss along with Hiroshi Yamauchi for sheer arrogance. In Imanishi own words when talking about the N64

There is no 32Bit war at all. In Japan, the only console to have sold more than 11 million units onthe market is the Super Famicom

Arrogance like that cost NCL the console market and the machines he loved to make fun of , went on the get better market in Japan .

About the copying all corps do it. Where did NCL get the idea for the memory cards, Twin sticks of the Cube, Jungle Beat, Nintendo Dogs ect from . All corps do it and the Japanese economy is in part built on it .

As for the last part that might be true to you, not to the likes of me.
NCL been rather poor onthe CUBE and far from the best development and franchises in world (that Honor goes to SEGA :P) . Given me the efforts of the ICO Team or Santa Monica have given us this gen to the drivel NCL shipped onthe CUBE (Zelda/Prime were magic though).
Haven't not been impressed with NCL output since the last couple of years inthe N64 through to the CUBE (handheld is a diff matter) .

Can't argue with you about the price of the PS3 though

[Matt]

That's just it though, everyone else is concentrating on there own niche, apart from Sony. I've said it before in a previous thread in that a single format would be better for the consumer, this single format could be controlled by a committee formed by those that control the indusrty today (and those who maybe want to join).

These firms aren't interested in doing this (single format) and are greedy bastards and want the industry for themselves.

Yes! Single format, wouldn't that be lovely Basic specifications, every electronic company can make their own model, and we get a brand new "standard" every 5 years. Perfection! Totally agree mate.

All this "Sony STEAL everything" need to find out the history of MS Windows, because that's ****ing appalling. Do you REALLY want MS to control the games industry? Read up on their anti-competitive practices, that's truly not a video-gaming world I'd like to be in.

And meantime, Nintendo milk their IP more than anyone else I can think of. Can you think of a genre with a Mario variant? If Sony released as many "limited edition" coloured PSPs as Nintendo do/did GBAs you'd all be slating them.

[El Leone]

What I think is intresting is that everyone seems to have forgotten those 5 months before the X360 launched, there was a extreme amount of doubt and bullcrap (xbox 1.5) surrounding the X360, mostly spun by Sony and then continued quite extremly by the fans, it was quite unfair.

What I'm saying is, alot of the sony hating will disappear once the PS3 is launch, although I do feel that people have a right to feel disappointed with the PS3 after their poor showing at E3 and all that crap. Some people do go overboard though.

[Kotatsu Neko]

Yep, there is no question Nintendo have the most passionate following of all three developers but I feel a lot of it is down to loyalty. I have huge respect for Nintendo and although I am really worried where Nintendo is taking it's games with the Wii and DS I have all the respect in the world for them by daring to devieate.

There is loyalty for sure, but loyalty doesn't last forever; the quality must be there.

Look at what happened to Sega! I can speak personally here, I was a huge Sega fan during the Mega Drive, Saturn, and Dreamcast eras. But now they're hopeless. A derelict waste, a shell of their former selves almost incapable of creating anything to interest me. OutRun 2 was of course a glorious exception, but other than that Sega are dead to me, and to many others I'm sure.

Nintendo have kept their fans, increased them I would say, due to a relentless drive for innovation and gameplay during the past few years. Nintendo always made great games, but now they're absolutely on fire with originality and creativity. That's why people are so passionate about them.

With Sony everything they annouce seems to be a ripp off from someone else's system. So what is there to get excited about? If at E3 they had shown off a few really unique new gameplay ideas (the eye toy thing was reasonable, but an aside rather than a whole new direction) and some killer games thing would be different now. Oh, and they should have annouced the PS3 would be the same price as the 360 too.

[Kotatsu Neko]

Can't agree with any of that. You want then Hiroshi Imanishi takes the piss along with Hiroshi Yamauchi for sheer arrogance. In Imanishi own words when talking about the N64 Arrogance like that cost NCL the console market and the machines he loved to make fun of , went on the get better market in Japan .

About the copying all corps do it. Where did NCL get the idea for the memory cards, Twin sticks of the Cube, Jungle Beat, Nintendo Dogs ect from . All corps do it and the Japanese economy is in part built on it .

As for the last part that might be true to you, not to the likes of me.
NCL been rather poor onthe CUBE and far from the best development and franchises in world (that Honor goes to SEGA :P) . Given me the efforts of the ICO Team or Santa Monica have given us this gen to the drivel NCL shipped onthe CUBE (Zelda/Prime were magic though).
Haven't not been impressed with NCL output since the last couple of years inthe N64 through to the CUBE (handheld is a diff matter) .

Can't argue with you about the price of the PS3 though

Yamauchi was a super ego for sure, but Nintendo is not the same as it used to be. The company has been re-born both in it's outlook to software and hardware. Now there's a huge push for massive innovation and absolutely beautiful industrial design.

I would agree the Cube was under supported, but no more so than Sony's own support for the PS2. Personally speaking, Team ICO games aside, Sony didn't make *anything* on PS2 that I had the slightest bit of interest in. The list Nintendo had for me on the Cube was still too small, but much bigger than on PS2.

[the_dude]

And meantime, Nintendo milk their IP more than anyone else I can think of. Can you think of a genre with a Mario variant?

I said this a while ago and got jumped on by every Nintendo fan on this forum. Beware.

[lurch996]

There's some pretty pointless arguments being thrown around here. For example Phil Harrisons ego. How on earth is Phil Harrisons ego going to effect the gaming experience you have on the PS3? it's not worth worrying about. The same can be said for Sony copying MS and Ninty's ideas, if anything it will make the console better.

The only problem I have with the PS3 is the price. Sony are forcing blue-ray on people that don't want it. But again I fail to see why people are moaning. Buy a XB360, a WII or both, they will be more than enough to compensate for a PS3.

[Team Andromeda]

And meantime, Nintendo milk their IP more than anyone else I can think of. Can you think of a genre with a Mario variant? If Sony released as many "limited edition" coloured PSPs as Nintendo do/did GBAs you'd all be slating them.

Talk like that gets topics locked , even if its spot on

[Jebus]

There's some pretty pointless arguments being thrown around here. For example Phil Harrisons ego. How on earth is Phil Harrisons ego going to effect the gaming experience you have on the PS3? it's not worth worrying about. The same can be said for Sony copying MS and Ninty's ideas, if anything it will make the console better.

The only problem I have with the PS3 is the price. Sony are forcing blue-ray on people that don't want it. But again I fail to see why people are moaning. Buy a XB360, a WII or both, they will be more than enough to compensate for a PS3.

But the point I was making is that they may be making THEIR console better, but they are doing nothing for the gaming industry whatsoever.

Anyone can create something good by using the best bits of everyone elses concepts! It won't make anything better but the product THEY are selling, to us, at a horrendous cost.