A year on

[elkatas]

What about stuff like Katamari and Viva Pinyota? arent they quirky and coulourful?

Guess how well these two sold? Katamari has sold less than 50 000 copies, and Viva Pinata* sold 500 000 only after bundling it with X360 in various countries. Eternal Sonata and Blue Dragon weren't able to breach 300 000 copies**. None of these titles were able to break even, which is pretty bad.

* And Viva Pinata: Party Animals didn't even chart
** I have no idea about how much that third RPG sold, but I guess it bombed too.

[Soi]

We don't have sales numbers whatsoever. But feeling is good enough, eh?

You can estimate XBLA sales quite easily from the leaderboards if you have enough time. Only those who have bought the full game show on the leaderboards and it records everyone's score.

Thankfully, some people are bored (boring?) enough to do this:

http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=666

Space Giraffe did bomb. But there are plenty of titles that have sold really well. Uno, Texas Hold'em Poker, Worms, TMNT, Marble Blast Ultra, Castlevainia: SOTN etc.

[elkatas]

You can estimate XBLA sales quite easily from the leaderboards if you have enough time. Only those who have bought the full game show on the leaderboards and it records everyone's score.

Danke. This will be useful for sales-age data.

[gossi the dog]

So higher software sales are a guarentee of quality are they? I beg to differ.

I'd have to agree. The fact that Sega are predicting Mario & Sonic to be their best selling game ever and the fact that it's currently outselling Mario Galaxy is something of a travesty.

[elkatas]

I'd have to agree. The fact that Sega are predicting Mario & Sonic to be their best selling game ever and the fact that it's currently outselling Mario Galaxy is something of a travesty.

First of all, thanks to US sales, SMG is selling currently better, and it will also sell better on the long run.

Secondly, I never said that software sales are indication of quality, but they will guarantee more quality software in the future. PS2 would have never seen most of its experimental stuff without strong userbase and software sales. X360 won't see this stuff neither because userbase doesn't care for stuff like that, and nobody dares to take the risk. Wii's userbase is little more receptive, and sheer volume will be completely different level after a while.

[Concrete donkey]

I have to say that the Nintendo encouraged mainstream kind of games as a future of gaming is pretty bleak in my eyes, and I'm saying this as much of a Nintendo fan than the next man. Games like Nintendogs, Brain training, Catz and endless mini game collections is not how I want the future of gaming and if these dominate the future market I won't be happy.

But saying that the way the 360 is going is equally bleek. An endless line of First Person Shooters, Racing games and Sports with the occasional Guitar/singing/ or other perephial of the week game is not a future I want to part of either.

What is everyones problem with diversity ? Why can't I own Bioshock and Warioware, Nintendogs and PGR 4. My 360 and Wii complement each other well and I wouldn't be without either of them. I own much more Wii games than 360 but doesn't mean I think the Wii is better than 360. Neither type of game can be allowed to 'win' and neither need to. There will always be a place for the ps3 and 360 no matter how much Nintendo sales dwarf them (or vice versa).

[elkatas]

*snip*

It is sad, but this guy here is the smartest man on the whole thread.

[Dogg Thang]

Only because you're bringing the average IQ into minus figures.

[peeveen]

X360 audience has pretty much proven with sales that it won't touch JRPGs, colorful games or quirky titles.

Not sure I agree with this ... while I admit that the average 360 owner is more likely to be interested in a guns'n'ammo FPS than an average Wii owner, they still have something in common: they both like GOOD games.

Actually, if anything, I'd say that the average 360 owner has a higher quality-threshold than the average Wii owner, and is probably more game-savvy, and aware of things like review scores and the opinion of their peers. I was in a store yesterday, and there was a long queue of mums and dads holding cookie-cutter substandard Wii games that are destined for February trade-in.

If Wii and 360 had the same installed user base, and SMG came out cross-platform, I'd wager that it'd sell more on 360 ... outside of Japan, anyway.

Anyone noticed how little the PS3 is featuring in this "debate"?

[charlesr]

"debate"

Excellent use of quotes there.

Any more sniping from anyone and I'll get annoyed.

[Team Andromeda]

It just proves how goddamn narrow average NTSC-UK users tastes are. Halo 3, Orange, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4. From FPS to FPS. Long are gone times when NTSC-UK was about variation, and exotic choices.

No it only proves that you're so blinkered Many on here enjoy a whole host of games from all genre’s , not everyone is a fan of Halo III or Bioshock , and I like to know what wrong in like those games in the 1st place its not like there’s bad games, if people said the Wii was just a collection of party games you’ll have more than enough to say and provide us with a 5 page PDF with a list of games proving otherwise .

There’s quite a lot of great games on the 360 that’s nothing to do with FPS, and anyone how who gives a sh8t if some of the bets 360 games happend to be FPS When they're done so well as is the case Orange Box and COD IV

[B1gBeard]

Not sure I agree with this ... while I admit that the average 360 owner is more likely to be interested in a guns'n'ammo FPS than an average Wii owner, they still have something in common: they both like GOOD games.

Actually, if anything, I'd say that the average 360 owner has a higher quality-threshold than the average Wii owner, and is probably more game-savvy, and aware of things like review scores and the opinion of their peers. I was in a store yesterday, and there was a long queue of mums and dads holding cookie-cutter substandard Wii games that are destined for February trade-in.

If Wii and 360 had the same installed user base, and SMG came out cross-platform, I'd wager that it'd sell more on 360 ... outside of Japan, anyway.

Anyone noticed how little the PS3 is featuring in this "debate"?

If I was a betting man I'd take you up on the SMG 360 bet. I think the 360 audience has pretty much shown (general audience and not the more hardcore gamers like ourselves) that games considered less adult or more for kids are not what they are looking for.

I think the PS3 deserves to feature here. For me it will still be the machine that offers a different type of game than the 360 but still compete with it technically a year or two from now. Whichever way you look at it it will have a much stronger Japanese influence than the 360.

[B1gBeard]

No it only proves that you're so blinkered Many on here enjoy a whole host of games from all genre?s , not everyone is a fan of Halo III or Bioshock , and I like to know what wrong in like those games in the 1st place its not like there?s bad games, if people said the Wii was just a collection of party games you?ll have more than enough to say and provide us with a 5 page PDF with a list of games proving otherwise .

There?s quite a lot of great games on the 360 that?s nothing to do with FPS, and anyone how who gives a sh8t if some of the bets 360 games happend to be FPS When they're done so well as is the case Orange Box and COD IV

I don't think anyone has suggested that at all. Only that the majority of 360 games, and also the best sellers, fall into the FPS or Sport/Driving genre.

[Ajay1986]

Here was me thinking this thread was about the Wii and its utter lack of upcoming quality 3rd party titles, yet it seems to have turned into another thread about the 360.

[Ady]

[360]I personally don't think its a machine that is encouraging or promoting diversity. Its trying, but it does appear as though it is stereo-typed. Thinking about it my 360 was kind of a replacement for my PC.

Very true. The 360 is also a victim of negative stereotyping, so to speak as is the Wii in its own way. This stereotyping stymies the potential for diversity across the board, which, in the long run is not a good thing for us (i.e. gamers).

What is everyones problem with diversity ? Why can't I own Bioshock and Warioware, Nintendogs and PGR 4. My 360 and Wii complement each other well and I wouldn't be without either of them. I own much more Wii games than 360 but doesn't mean I think the Wii is better than 360.

I don't think anyone (well, not many) have a problem with diversity. As I recall, I think the 360 only entered the discussion (which, let's not forget is actually about the Wii) when TA decided to deliberately take a point I was making out of context and put words in my mouth. I actually like the 360 and have only been put off getting one so far because of the many reports of hard-wired failure. I will pick one up once this has fully blown over, knowing I can safely own one that isn't "programmed to break".

But yes, you are correct, it and the Wii complement each other very well and any gamer with both really is getting the best of both worlds.