PlayStation 3 'hacked' by iPhone cracker

[Flabio]

Do some of you work for sony?

Some of us do actually. Not me though.

[Synthesthesia]

I don't mean to sound like I'm getting on my high horse about all this. I'm a software engineer so obviously I'm totally against software piracy but I'm not saying you shouldn't hack your PS3. I've hacked my Wii. I've done some things that make it much more convenient for me. However, I also accept that I wasn't supposed to do this, Nintendo say I mustn't do it, I'm probably breaking a law or two by doing it I've taken a massive risk in doing this and if Nintendo send an update down that ruins my console then I've only got myself to blame. It just seems that people don't want to accept this.

I also think Sony were wrong to remove Linux - and this time around the hackers have a good argument for hacking your PS3 because of this. However, what has been their argument for every other device they've hacked?

I understand why they do it but when they do it they DO spoil things for those of us that just want to use the system as it was intended and I don't think they should be allowed to hide behind whatever excuses they make. They've made me have to install more firmware updates than I would otherwise have to and have ruined Modern Warfare for thousands of others. They did that. They allowed the cheaters, who are otherwise not skilled enough, to hack the game and ruin it.

You don't. You're the first person that's said something that doesn't agree with it fully that doesn't sound like you're on your high horse.

I agree- the Modern Warfare thing is bull****, but they find a way to do stuff like that even when they're not modded most of the time.

I just don't understand why I'm getting attacked for saying I want to use a hack that's already out there to use some eventual media software. I'm not the enemy here? I didn't make it. I don't support it. I'm not going to pirate games.

[Dogg Thang]

I really fail to see how my choice affects any one else.

If you really believed this then you would be truly powerless. But I don't think you believe it because this...

I'm not claiming anything about other people's uses of it or trying to make it sound better that people mod THEIR consoles for piracy. I'm just saying what I would use it for. That really isn't going to affect any one else in my opinion.

...says you recognise the problem that perception alone poses. One of the big problems here is the perception that piracy is okay. I realise that's not what you're saying and not condoning it but, nevertheless, the perception is there. It's not a black and white issue unfortunately but the response pretty much has to be because one of the core functions (I only don't use THE core in capitals because I don't know for certain) of these hacks is to enable piracy. And that's certainly the result. So, while it's not black and white, an acceptance of one comes with the perceived acceptance of the other.

So the more the hacks are accepted, the more piracy either needs to be fought (constant updates, expense and who knows what else) or the battle thrown, as it seemed to be for many with the PSP (resulting in fewer games). Either way, gamers lose.

Edit: And, while I typed that, FSW wrote a better reply and with another good point on top about Modern Warfare.

Another edit: And just in the interests of disclosure, seeing as dvdx asked, I don't work for Sony or anything related to gaming. But I do work in an industry that is getting pretty hammered by piracy.

[Synthesthesia]

If you really believed this then you would be truly powerless. But I don't think you believe it because this...

...says you recognise the problem that perception alone poses. One of the big problems here is the perception that piracy is okay. I realise that's not what you're saying and not condoning it but, nevertheless, the perception is there. It's not a black and white issue unfortunately but the response pretty much has to be because one of the core functions (I only don't use THE core in capitals because I don't know for certain) of these hacks is to enable piracy. And that's certainly the result. So, while it's not black and white, an acceptance of one comes with the perceived acceptance of the other.

So the more the hacks are accepted, the more piracy either needs to be fought (constant updates, expense and who knows what else) or the battle thrown, as it seemed to be for many with the PSP (resulting in fewer games). Either way, gamers lose.

Edit: And, while I typed that, FSW wrote a better reply and with another good point on top about Modern Warfare.

Another edit: And just in the interests of disclosure, seeing as dvdx asked, I don't work for Sony or anything related to gaming. But I do work in an industry that is getting pretty hammered by piracy.

You can get hacks that don't do piracy. Geohot's first one doesn't. My PS3 isn't hacked yet, but when some software comes out that I want to use, I'll probably hack it using that if it's still a viable option.

Also:

So, while it's not black and white, an acceptance of one comes with the perceived acceptance of the other.

By that analogy, people shouldn't have cars. Because along with driving it, there's a possibility that they could knock someone over or cause an accident.

I realise what you're saying about piracy but I don't think I'm a valid outlet for these concerns...

[kernow]

Whats wrong with buying something and using it how it was intended and accepting its limitations. Greed overcomes people nowadays, its not good enough it does 100 things it simply must do *insert feature here it was never intended to do*

It's just not good enough!

I want multiregion blu ray, ps2 multi region support, playable psp games on ps3, cross video chat, cross system chat between 360 and ps3, gamecube disc support on both consoles, a flip out screen, 2080P video support, wii emulation, game gear cartridge port, and I'm still going to bitch if it doesn't play xbox games perfectly.

[Neil]

Bananas? Robots? Game gear slots?

Have I gone mad

I like my PS3 as it is because it plays Singstar (Take That natch)

[Dogg Thang]

By that analogy, people shouldn't have cars. Because along with driving it, there's a possibility that they could knock someone over or cause an accident.

And with over a million car deaths a year, more deaths than all the wars in the world each year combined, maybe it's something that people need to think more about.

Simple point is... our actions and choices do have an effect outside ourselves, as your car example illustrates very well. No you are not a valid outlet for all complaints about piracy nor would I hold you responsible of course. But you did say what you wanted was your choice to make and you don't think your choices affect anyone else. I simply disagree.

[Synthesthesia]

Whats wrong with buying something and using it how it was intended and accepting its limitations. Greed overcomes people nowadays, its not good enough it does 100 things it simply must do *insert feature here it was never intended to do*

It's just not good enough!

I want multiregion blu ray, ps2 multi region support, playable psp games on ps3, cross video chat, cross system chat between 360 and ps3, gamecube disc support on both consoles, a flip out screen, 2080P video support, wii emulation, game gear cartridge port, and I'm still going to bitch if it doesn't play xbox games perfectly.

Your point being?

This post reminds me a lot of what Lyris has said to me in the past about the "british" attitude towards things. "It'll do m8 quit your whinging!" If it'll do for you then that's fine, but it doesn't for me so I'd like it improving.

I never said there was anything wrong with keeping your ps3 the way it is. Why are you trying to force me to be okay with that on mine? It's nothing to do with you.

DAMNIT why aren't those features in it already those hackers better get working fast or I will not be best pleased.

And with over a million car deaths a year, more deaths than all the wars in the world each year combined, maybe it's something that people need to think more about.

Simple point is... our actions and choices do have an effect outside ourselves, as your car example illustrates very well. No you are not a valid outlet for all complaints about piracy nor would I hold you responsible of course. But you did say what you wanted was your choice to make and you failed to see how your choices affects anyone else. I simply disagree.

Please give me an example, of how me modding my system, leaving it offline and using XBMC for example, is going to affect someone else?

[dvdx2]

Some of us do actually. Not me though.

aye, well there lies your answer

[kernow]

Your point being?

I never said there was anything wrong with that. Why are you trying to force me to be okay with that on mine? It's nothing to do with you.

Because its illegal, I'm pretty sure XBMC used to use the official SDK. Thats why you can only usually get the binaries from 'certain' places for the xbox version. Not to mention violating the terms and conditions regarding why you bought the machine in the first place - to play games on more than likely

[Dogg Thang]

Please give me an example, of how me modding my system, leaving it offline and using XBMC for example, is going to affect someone else?

Circular discussion. That's in my previous post. Acceptance of the hacks and the perception that goes with that. Who knows how many people have just read your post, gone looking and found they never have to buy a game again? Maybe nobody. But you want an example. There it is.

Like I said, I simply disagree with the view that our actions have no effect on others.

[Synthesthesia]

Because its illegal, I'm pretty sure XBMC used to use the official SDK. Thats why you can only usually get the binaries from 'certain' places for the xbox version. Not to mention violating the terms and conditions regarding why you bought the machine in the first place - to play games on more than likely

And you're the police now are you? If I choose to do something that's illegal it's exactly that. My choice. I don't see why you should be the one to tell me I can't. It was also illegal at one time to be gay, it doesn't mean it was right to make it illegal.

There's a distinction between ethical and legal. And to me what I'm wanting to do is perfectly ethical- sony loses no profit, I'm just doing something with my device that I'd like to. And no actually, I bought it primarily as a blu-ray player/ media centre+ the few odd ps3 exclusives I'd like to play (not very many). I already had a 360, Wii and PC for games.

Circular discussion. That's in my previous post. Acceptance of the hacks and the perception that goes with that. Who knows how many people have just read your post, gone looking and found they never have to buy a game again? Maybe nobody. But you want an example. There it is.

Like I said, I simply disagree with the view that our actions have no effect on others.

In that case then, that's not a result of me hacking my console. That's a result of me talking about hacking it. Plus, anyone who just read my post would have seen the title of this thread detailing that the PS3 has now been hacked. So remind me again how this would be my doing, even if they had read my post?

[kernow]

I'm the rage police, and you're under arrest, probably get a caution for 'being wound up by someone who doesn't really care either way'

and breathe..

[Dogg Thang]

You're making this really tough. I just want to move on here. An agree to disagree or something would be lovely but you're looking for more and more specifics to something I've answered.

You're in this thread justifying the hacks, albeit for your own uses. We're probably not the only ones you discuss your hacks with and, while doing so, justify them like you're doing very well here. You have contributed to download figures. Search results. You are one of a very large bunch of people who, by taking part, are condoning the hacks. Maybe not all uses but, as we've been through before in this circular discussion, we know that a huge amount of people are hacking and using hacks for the purposes of piracy.

By hacking your console, you are contributing to the perception that this is all fine and dandy.

And.... I'm out.

[Synthesthesia]

You're making this really tough. I just want to move on here. An agree to disagree or something would be lovely but you're looking for more and more specifics to something I've answered.

You're in this thread justifying the hacks, albeit for your own uses. We're probably not the only ones you discuss your hacks with and, while doing so, justify them like you're doing very well here. You have contributed to download figures. Search results. You are one of a very large bunch of people who, by taking part, are condoning the hacks. Maybe not all uses but, as we've been through before in this circular discussion, we know that a huge amount of people are hacking and using hacks for the purposes of piracy.

By hacking your console, you are contributing to the perception that this is all fine and dandy.

And.... I'm out.

For my uses it is fine and dandy, and I'm gonna do it either way, I just 100% do not agree that in this case I have any responsibility in causing other people to pirate. That's what I'm arguing about.

Yeah huge amounts of people are hacking their consoles for piracy. And if it was Kotaku posting this- I'd agree with you. And they do do that occasionally. Do you guys write to them when they do, and tell them they're wrong for posting it? Those types of sites are people you should be writing to about this not one guy on the internet who wants to watch better quality films off a hard drive.