Sony = Junk

[MartyG]

PS Move really could have been ace.

Yeah, shame it has't been well supported because that system actually worked as intended.

[dataDave]

* The PS3 is region free - my collection is 30/30/30/10% Japanese, USA, UK and Korean. This is how the world should be. This is how God, Yahweh, Buddha, and Zeus envisioned the world. Without region barriers.

HAHAHHA! Quality.

[dataDave]

It took me about 3/4 years to like the Playstation once it got some good games, likewise with the PS2.

Still not got a PS3 though. :/ I blame the lack of exclusive shmups and jRPGs. I'm not a fan of all that Western wap that FSW mentioned.

[djtickle]

I must admit my PS3 has been on the back burner this Gen compared to my 360. (My wii got sold though so not that bad!)

It did do some things right though :-

Region Free
Blu-Ray
Uncharted
Killzone
LBP
PSN+

In all fairness though my Vita has had alot of hammer over the last couple of months and now with PS+ will be even more.

But my 360 has had much more playtime due to :-

Dash + Mini Dash
Cross game party chat
Halo
Video Streaming

HAHA, funny looking at my 360 as its so small, but for me the dash and party chat are excellent and make it so easy to use.

Back on thread though, I dont want to see Sony disappear from the games market having them battle it out with MS is excellent and im sure the Xbox3 Vs PS4 battle will be a good one.

If Sony drop out the games market if anything it will just save me some cash as it will be one less console to buy! haha

[originalbadboy]

I hate it when people throw the fanboy card out. I own all three current gen consoles. I think I'm entitled to weigh in on all three of them.

The Wii I gave away because I never played anything on it, and I hated the controller. Motion controls almost always suck. I want no part of them. Nintendo's region lock policy forced me to mod my system, after which I attached a harddrive and pirated everything. Except Xenoblade Chronicles, probably the only JRPG I liked this gen.

Let's put the Wii out of this equation, because you're obviously a 360 fanboy.

Here's some bullet points to help explain my POV:

* The PS3 is region free - my collection is 30/30/30/10% Japanese, USA, UK and Korean. This is how the world should be. This is how God, Yahweh, Buddha, and Zeus envisioned the world. Without region barriers.
* I was forced to import a Canadian 360 at double the price, just so I could play some American exclusives
* The 360 is design to be always online which creates numerous sub-problems:
- a rolling cache for patches, which is retarded
- the ability to accidentally delete ALL PATCHES by clearing the cache, which is utterkly ****ing retarded
- the flimsy build, from RROD to a dodgy HDD which keeps cutting out
* My 360 crashes on average once a week, but in 5 years I've never had a single malfunction with my PS3
* The PS3 had a symmetrical dual-analogue set-up, perfect for games like Virtual On and the FPS genre
* 360 has offset sticks which is retarded. I refuse to play an FPS with it. Symmetrical or GTFO.
* I seldom play online, but if I did, there is NO ****ING WAY I am paying even a single penny for it. Screw that.
* The 360's dash, in fact all of them, have sucked. The PS3 XMB has stayed the same since I bought it, and has always been easy to navigate.
* There is internal battery to maintain the time, because MS are too cheap to include one. Every time I switch my 360 off, the timer resets to 2005. My PS3 can go indefinitely and always remember the time. Seriously, how expensive is it to include a lithium battery on the motherboard?!
* Did I mention the PS3 is region free?

The 360 feels like a cheap, nasty, badly built piece of ****, with a wonky OS, utterly bull**** and illogical patch system, but which happens to have some excellent games. The only parity between the two is the system exclusives.

There are some great 360 exclusives which justified my purchase (such as Operation Darkness), but otherwise the hardware itself is dreadful.

In your opinion of course ....

I like the way you keep pulling out the region free card, of course Bluray itself isn't region free, which is why I would have prefered HD-DVD to have won out, so I can understand that. However I wouldn't hinge an entire generation of gaming on whether a machine is region free or not.

Simple fact is you can't put a blanket statement out like your initial one without people thinking you not a fanboy. Pretty much every bullet point (apart from the region free one) I could quite easily counter by saying the exact opposite, but I won't.

Different people will prefer different games, but for me the PS3 and Sony have really struggled this gen , and the only new thing they bought to the table was Bluray in the end, and that isn't region free.

[Neon Ignition]

It'd be damn sight less interesting too. PSN has some great gems on there alone thanks to Sony's support of some game ideas that otherwise might not have happened. Some would make it onto other online services but not all. I don't think Sony will ever retrieve their previous heights as they're too behind the curve now but I don't expect them to go anywhere either. They'll likely stop pushing as much r&d money into pointless tech gimmicks, streamline and rebrand their home electronics lines and push Playstation even harder. More reason why I don't think they can afford to be around 400rrp at launch next gen

[J0e Musashi]

I could quite easily counter by saying the exact opposite, but I won't.

Like this?

* The Xbox 360 is not region free.
* I was not forced to import a Canadian PS3 at double the price, just so I could play some American exclusives
* The PS3 is not designed to be always online which doesn't creates numerous sub-problems:
- a non-rolling cache for patches, which is not retarded
- No ability to accidentally delete ALL PATCHES by clearing the cache, which is utterkly ****ing retarded
- the sturdy build, free from RROD to a user-serviceable HDD which doesn't keep cutting out
* My PS3 doesn't crash on average once a week, but in 5 years I've had a lots malfunctions with my 360
* The 360 doesn't have a symmetrical dual-analogue set-up, not perfect for games like Virtual On and the FPS genre
* PS3 doesn't have offset sticks which is not retarded. I refuse to play an FPS with it. Symmetrical or GTFO.
* I play online, but it isn't free.
* The 360's dash, in fact all of them, have sucked. The PS3 XMB has stayed the same since I bought it, and has always been easy to navigate.
* There is internal battery to maintain the time, because MS are too cheap to include one. Every time I switch my 360 off, the timer resets to 2005. My PS3 can go indefinitely and always remember the time. Seriously, how expensive is it to include a lithium battery on the motherboard?!
* Did I mention the 360 isn't region free?

[wakka]

Lol I love that this thread has literally descended into 'Which is better - 360 or PS3?'. As if there will ever be an objective answer and it isn't simply a matter of opinion.

[Sketcz]

Like this?

Best comedy post of the week. It gets my vote.



In all seriousness, most of my complaints are about daily hindrances which annoy me. Unless a save file counts the hours played on a game, I can never tell which was my last save, because they're all at the wrong times. Some with earlier dates are newer than those with later dates, because I played in the morning, put the machine off, resumed later in the day, but the clock had reset to earlier. This is a legitimate and exceedingly annoying problem. I should not be forced to put up with this.

As I said, I can play devil's advocate for either machine with games. I have over 100 games spread across both, so I know first hand they both have great titles. But the 360 really isn't well built. Even the original Xbox was better in some regards.



The thread has gone this way because we were originally discussing Sony as a whole entity failing, and then this moved on to their games division somehow being the failing part (despite that I read somewhere it's apparently the more profitable division), which led to a tit for tat defence and rebuttal.

I hope Sony doesn't fail. Not because of brand loyalty, which stupid. But because right now there are less complaints I can raise against their products than their rivals.

[saturn-gamer]

Ps3 has a lot of issues imho. I dumped my 360 way back in 2007 because it was an unreliable noisy piece of **** but installing demos, downloading big ass patches (600mb update for WWE13, which is 10mb on 360) can be a chore. Mandatory installs as well. You can remedy a lot by chucking in a 500gb HDD but the Ps3 is still a lot about waiting. Sometimes I want to show a game to friends and its just not possible unless I wait half an hour. And undeniably, roughly 70% of multiplats have better performance on 360.

[Sketcz]

All these complaints about PS3 patches. My god, does everybody do everything while connected to the internet? I don't even bother plugging in my broadband cable half the time.You don't have to patch something to play it. Unless you want multiplayer.

[noobish hat]

Sounds like a lot of compromise to me. I like to put in a game, and just frigging play it, like in the good old days. I dont want to worry about whether it's connected to the internet or not, or if there's going to be a two hour mandatory download. It's absolutely taking the piss, and is beyond a joke at this stage. Only the Wii was keeping the console flag flying. Looks like even Nintendo has ditched this now in favour of making even more money. Guess the Wii was the last console.

[Shozuki]

Sounds like a lot of compromise to me. I like to put in a game, and just frigging play it, like in the good old days. I dont want to worry about whether it's connected to the internet or not, or if there's going to be a two hour mandatory download. It's absolutely taking the piss, and is beyond a joke at this stage. Only the Wii was keeping the console flag flying. Looks like even Nintendo has ditched this now in favour of making even more money. Guess the Wii was the last console.

Yeah man, can't disagree with that - the PS3 is a royal pain in this regard. Absolutely no denying XBL is better, it should be free though - especially as a ton of game content is locked out if your not a gold member (CoD without Multiplayer...?) That said, patching isn't really that big of deal is it? Games are much more complicated to make these days so at least they can fix the bugs...

Fighting games without patches would just be constant broken rage fests otherwise!

[Team Andromeda]

Did I mention the 360 isn't region free?

Since you famously only buy Japanese - why does it matter ?

[Sketcz]

Since you famously only buy Japanese - why does it matter ?

Must be mixing me up with another forumite. Where did I say I only buy Japanese? As I've mentioned, my collection is an even split between JPN, US and UK games. With a bit of Korean/Hong Kong editions thrown in due to a lower price. And some French stuff.

Probably a 30/30/20/10/10 split (U/E/J/K/F). it gets fiddly though, because should the Korean be lumped in with the JPN, and should French be with UK games as EU?

I'm an international man of mystery consumerism!