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    Too many people. But the marketing works. Without Jobs though...

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      I don't understand people saying Apples products are overpriced. I don't want to take away from the point at hand but it all comes down to what you choose to buy and how much you value something. Would I spend ?500 on a Samsung Galaxy SIII, no as I hate android. The same goes for Apples laptops etc, yes they are priced higher but in the buyers opinion they prefer the design and the OS and they are paying for their choice. It's bad business sense not too and in a way just like Nintendo, Apple products retain their value and depreciation is far lower than competitors.

      Also if you are a Web Developer you may also know why

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        well I'm 54 still play games every day and have been playing since the 70t's, just about have bought every gaming machine (except Wii u) over the last 30 odd years, does that make me a gamer?

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          I use the nexus 7...that is value. But i wouldn't buy something which relies on 100% touchscreen controls for gaming....ever.

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            Originally posted by jim g View Post
            well I'm 54 still play games every day and have been playing since the 70t's, just about have bought every gaming machine (except Wii u) over the last 30 odd years, does that make me a gamer?
            I think that makes you the winner. Of everything. Good going.

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              Originally posted by PaTaito View Post
              Btw i'm 30 so i qualify as a true gamer... yay!
              No, you don't.

              I'm 32, but I've not been playing games for 30 years, yet. I've around four or five years to go.

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                So in the new world order of originalbadboy, jim_g must be CEO, and ive got the be the president or higher, their may be a few people equal rank , cause i got in on pong, so stick that in your pipe originalbadboy i totally out rank you and your my bitch.

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                  I can't wait for photo-realism in games.

                  Boy, will that be fun.

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                    Originally posted by MisterBubbles View Post
                    So in the new world order of originalbadboy, jim_g must be CEO, and ive got the be the president or higher, their may be a few people equal rank , cause i got in on pong, so stick that in your pipe originalbadboy i totally out rank you and your my bitch.
                    I got in before Pong with a text based golf game on a computer I can't even remember the name of, so I'm Lord High Vizier of Gaming Justice.

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                      When dog in 1973?

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                        Not 73, Pong home console was 75.

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                          Originally posted by originalbadboy View Post
                          I guess the original point was that in order base an opinion about something you need to have at least an amount of life experience in said subject.
                          Possibly. But to pick a figure arbitrarily out of the air because it's somehow relevant for you and assert that *that* defines a 'true gamer' is patently ridiculous.
                          The whole concept of 'true' or 'hardcore' gaming is spurious anyway. If someone feels the need to qualify themselves as a true gamer for some sort of validation, it says more about their own insecurities than anything else.

                          So, somebody who only plays fighters - in fact only certain kinds of fighters - and has done for, I don't know, 5 years, to pluck a figure out of nowhere, but does so to an international competitive standard isn't a 'true' gamer? Yeah, makes sense.

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                            In that case I've misremembered and am lying. Pong was first not the computer golf thing I remember. I put this down to old age.

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                              Originally posted by endo View Post
                              So, somebody who only plays fighters - in fact only certain kinds of fighters - and has done for, I don't know, 5 years, to pluck a figure out of nowhere, but does so to an international competitive standard isn't a 'true' gamer? Yeah, makes sense.
                              Xian has only been playing since SF4.

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                                Look....

                                We all know that a true gamer has to have played every game ever to completion on every available difficulty setting, and also discovered a bug that allows him to complete every single one of those games in under 17.5 seconds.

                                That is none of us on here, we are false gamers.

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