Nintendo Wii U (Thread 2!)

[PaTaito]

In reality does it need to be? ...

The WiiU is doing fine all things considered, it just needs to world and the peeps in it to stop being utterly stupid.

You missed the point, if it is to have barely any 3rd party support then imo it needs to do better than the gamecube. Games are more expensive to produce these days and imo nintendo's game output isnt what it was during that era(mario galaxy aside).

The wii sold mammoth amounts not just because it was gimmicky, but because the price point was golden throughout its lifespan.

If the WiiU cannot become more reasonably priced for the casual mums and dads, who are looking to just put a console in their kids bedroom(still the largest demographic who buy into mario and co), then can they really think that releasing a couple of AAA titles a year, with next to no 3rd party support, will be enough to make the WiiU even as much of a success as, say the gamecube? especially given the losses they are suppost to be taking with each console...soon to be even more hefty when the price is forced down?!

It doesnt need to do as well as Wii, but it needs to be not too far behind all things considered imo.

For me, the bottom line is they need to improve their first party output, especially in terms of quantity.

[Brad]

I'm not saying Wii U will replicate the success of the Wii, but it's certainly going to be around for a while yet.

I agree. At ?150 as a "Oh go on then, I'll have one of those too" consoles though. And that might be absolutely fine for Nintendo and those that buy one. I dunno.

[originalbadboy]

The wii sold mammoth amounts not just because it was gimmicky, but because the price point was golden throughout its lifespan.

If the WiiU cannot become more reasonably priced for the casual mums and dads, who are looking to just put a console in their kids bedroom(still the largest demographic who buy into mario and co), then can they really think that releasing a couple of AAA titles a year, with next to no 3rd party support, will be enough to make the WiiU even as much of a success as, say the gamecube? especially given the losses they are suppost to be taking with each console...soon to be even more hefty when the price is forced down?!

I didn't miss the point, and your post makes my point ...

The Wii was unashamedly aimed at the casual (mass) market so the numbers were always going to be impressive if they managed to capture the imagination of that audience. Nintendo are not aiming the WiiU at that target audience as far as I can see, not at the moment anyway. So if they are not aiming at casuals as much, then as stated it doesn't really matter, as long as it has reasonable numbers. I would rather compare what might happen to the WiiU with the Gamecube than with the Wii, from that point of view I think in the end it won't be any less successful.

It doesn't all come down to price, you think the WiiU is expensive wait till you see what next gen consoles are going to cost, yes you get more bang for your buck, but then I currently don't see any of the next gen consoles providing a touch screen device for a controller either. And by the time next gen consoles arrive the WiiU will be cheaper, the cheapest console in fact. That will drive sales up regardless.

We can agree on one thing , quantity of first party output needs to increase.

[Team Andromeda]

If there's one thing that Nintendo have shown, it's that most people don't actually care about graphics that much

To a point , but also to a point even the kids much rather played the 360 and PS3 versions of Fifa, COD than on the Wii The internet was also a massive draw and on all those sides Nintendo is miles behind Sony and MS . The trouble for the Wii U is that is isn't a draw to the non gamers like the Wii was and the gamers are either more happy with their current 360 or PS3 games or looking forward to the PS4 and 720.

It only get worse too when the likes of the major corps starting making their AAA big money productions for the next gen pipelines. Sure Nintendo will still sell a few million Wii U's, will still have more money in the bank than most, but they're won't be a major player in the next console battle , they can barely compete with the 360 and PS3 these days

[PaTaito]

I didn't miss the point, and your post makes my point ...

The Wii was unashamedly aimed at the casual (mass) market so the numbers were always going to be impressive if they managed to capture the imagination of that audience. Nintendo are not aiming the WiiU at that target audience as far as I can see, not at the moment anyway. So if they are not aiming at casuals as much, then as stated it doesn't really matter, as long as it has reasonable numbers. I would rather compare what might happen to the WiiU with the Gamecube than with the Wii, from that point of view I think in the end it won't be any less successful.

It doesn't all come down to price, you think the WiiU is expensive wait till you see what next gen consoles are going to cost, yes you get more bang for your buck, but then I currently don't see any of the next gen consoles providing a touch screen device for a controller either. And by the time next gen consoles arrive the WiiU will be cheaper, the cheapest console in fact. That will drive sales up regardless.

We can agree on one thing , quantity of first party output needs to increase.

See thats the problem imo for nintendo, a lot of core gamers want impressive tech, which the WiiU doesnt really give you(yet perhaps), and if you havent got that then you better have the gimmickry of the original wii to fall back on....which again it doesnt really give you, certainly not on the same level as the wii did with motion controls.

There is a problem of identity for me. Lacking a wow factor, and not gimmicky enough by nintendo's recent hardware standards...certainly not enough to get even grandparents genuinely interested in buying one.

Like i said previously though, i agree with you that it ultimately wont fail, but what i do think is it will hit nintendo hard this time if they dont start giving an incentive to buy...and soon.

I dont know, perhaps i would drive for more 3rd party 3DS support now its sold well, and stack more first party teams onto WiiU dev.

[dataDave]

I have more games for my Wii than my 360. I find most stuff on 360 'disposable', where as I'd never dream of selling the 'keepers' I have for my Wii.

[dataDave]

My grandad can 1life Sin + Punishment 2 btw.

Can anyone here do that?

[Guts]

360 and PS3 are still going and their games are still topping the charts , where's the Wii

I think we've already has this conversation, but since you need reminding: The Wii has sold more units than PS3 or the 360 and games like Mario Kart Wii and NSMB have sold 25+ million copies, best PS/360 exclusives are far from those numbers. And btw. the Wii outsold Vita in the US last week.

We'll see what the score is by next Christmas, let's see how many people are willing to drop ?400 (+?50-?60 for a game) to play Killzone on PS4. If Nintendo gets new Mario, Mario Kart and a couple of other titles out by then, they're going to dominate this year.

[rmoxon]

The unfortunate truth is that just becuase a game is great doesn't mean it will sell well. Most things are sold on their name, stuff like F zero and wave race are not popular names with the general public. They are never going to sell a console.

[originalbadboy]

The unfortunate truth is that just becuase a game is great doesn't mean it will sell well. Most things are sold on their name, stuff like F zero and wave race are not popular names with the general public. They are never going to sell a console.

Whilst I agree a game being great does not necessarily mean it will sell well , Fzero and warerace WOULD sell WiiU's. Of course they would, if they wouldn't then what will COD, BF? Nope because the majority of gamers wouldn't buy those types of games on the WiiU.

Those games may not be popular with the general public but they mean something to the people in the know, and there are still a lot of those people around.

As I said before games like COD and BF were not popular names outside of the PC gaming public once upon a time, it just happens that those games and gaming in general has become the 'norm' with normal people rather than just 'gamers'.

If a game is decent enough and gets enough exposure generally it will be successful. But if success is now measured by how well you do against the COD's and BF's of the world, then tbh I may as well pack up as a gamer, because that's ridiculous.

The 'older' names will make a comeback at some point when people get bored of the usual yearly bollocks we get.

[Team Andromeda]

The Wii has sold more units than PS3 or the 360 and games like Mario Kart Wii and NSMB have sold 25+ million copies, best PS/360 exclusives are far from those numbers. And btw. the Wii outsold Vita in the US last week.

Look past the fanboy and take the blinkers off and deep down you know that 3rd parties and retail need customers buying new games each month , that isn't happing on the Wii and its not happing on the Wii U . You can go about the Hardware sales (rich when the likes of you used to claim the PSP was dead) and the odd title selling in millions .

The Wii U isn't doing that great at all and already there's issues with 3rd parties and the system isn't a year old yet.

We'll see what the score is by next Christmas, let's see how many people are willing to drop ?400 (+?50-?60 for a game) to play Killzone on PS4.

More than will buy the Wii U in its 1st year to play a port of a 360 game I'm willing to bet .

[rmoxon]

Whilst I agree a game being great does not necessarily mean it will sell well , Fzero and warerace WOULD sell WiiU's. Of course they would, if they wouldn't then what will COD, BF? Nope because the majority of gamers wouldn't buy those types of games on the WiiU.

Those games may not be popular with the general public but they mean something to the people in the know, and there are still a lot of those people around.

As I said before games like COD and BF were not popular names outside of the PC gaming public once upon a time, it just happens that those games and gaming in general has become the 'norm' with normal people rather than just 'gamers'.

If a game is decent enough and gets enough exposure generally it will be successful. But if success is now measured by how well you do against the COD's and BF's of the world, then tbh I may as well pack up as a gamer, because that's ridiculous.

The 'older' names will make a comeback at some point when people get bored of the usual yearly bollocks we get.

well yeah, they would sell a few units, but they wouldn't sell anywhere near as many as Just Dance 16575 would.

[kryss]

I will only buy BF4 on WiiU. That is a fact.

And rmoxon, Just Dance Racer 7 will always be the better game.

[Guts]

Look past the fanboy

Yeah, I'm totally a fanboy because I'm not condemning Wii U to death after it's been out three months.

[rmoxon]

I will only buy BF4 on WiiU. That is a fact.

And rmoxon, Just Dance Racer 7 will always be the better game.

No way. Just Dance 6 is the best.