Nintendo WiiU : Thread 04

[PaTaito]

Yeah, all those quality games.

Maybe not, but some will be great, and at least there will be options...you know, important to a long term investment.

[PaTaito]

The argument about spending that much on hardware is because by the time the truly decent stuff comes out those consoles should be a fair bit cheaper. So buying them now for the sake of early adoption is silly. Fair enough, although there will still be great games coming out this year for both consoles.

I'm no stranger to backing the wrong horse, having owned a Saturn and Dreamcast, so I've no problem with getting value from a 'dead' console.



But the 2DS and 3DS don't split their userbase as much as a Wii-U+gamepad and a Wii-U+pro controller would.

Devs might think 3D is less important if there are tons of 2DSs doing the rounds but 2D has been available on the 3DS since the beginning so they're are already acquainted with it.

Whatever people's opinions of the gamepad, it's an integral part of the Wii-U experience. The Wii-U is the gamepad.

Integral how? Out of all the first party titles i own(both mario's, Zelda WW, Pikmin 3) none really nail the pad down as an essential part of how you play the WiiU? Also the pro pad has always been available, so its no different in that sense.

Nintendoland showed some neat stuff granted, but overall the games are hardly making it essential...unless of course you simply have to play all your games remotely via the pad.

All i'm saying is that given how its been utilized so far, its not that much of a stretch.

They could probably knock WiiU's out for ?130 if they took that approach...in the long run i cant see any other way for the WiiU to succeed, given the recent release of next gen.

They obviously cant rely solely on the hardcore/core gamers either.

Maybe mario kart will turn it around, and maybe nintendo will price the WiiU even lower without making any such sacrifice, but the lesson for nintendo for me would be make decent tech, and drop the novel approach.

It worked with the wii because the remotes were cheap, and the disappointing hardware configuration was negated by the perfect price point of ?179.99 with zelda in tow.

[randombs]

I agree with you, PaTaito. However, I'm not arguing in terms of the usefulness of the gamepad but in terms of what the system comprises. Heck, it's what a whole bunch of people think is the Wii-U! Take that away and what are you left with? A machine that won't be able to play a bunch of Wii-U games properly, if at all.

They can cut the price as the components will get cheaper over time as well - do a Sony and put a worse screen in the controller later on, for example. Or they can manufacture the console itself more cheaply.

And the Pro Controller is an opt-in accessory. You buy it because you specifically want to use it. It doesn't come with the Wii-U and I'm pretty sure there are no games that demand it(are there?).

At the moment, devs can at least concentrate on supporting the Wii-U gamepad as a bare minimum. What you're proposing is that they either:

a) support the gamepad in a lame, gimmicky way(if they're not doing that already) for people with a regular Wii-U
b) add in support for the Pro Controller for people who have the Pro Controller-only Wii-U

We all accept that 3rd party support for the Wii-U is crap. Nintendo mustn't do anything to alienate those guys any further. This isn't the PS2 where all that hard work would be paid off in sales.

[kryss]

Integral how? Out of all the first party titles i own(both mario's, Zelda WW, Pikmin 3) none really nail the pad down as an essential part of how you play the WiiU?

You probably don't make enough use of the "Go Here" function in Pikmin 3.

[Team Andromeda]

SNES can be picked up for peanuts? What?

Picked up my USA Snes with a handful of games for ?20 on e-bay .I seem to remember my aunt paying over ?180 for my launch UK Snes with 1 game. The Mega Drive and PS2 can be had for next to nothing on Ebay these days and people paid ?300 for their PS ,how much does a PS go for on E-bay these days ?

Seems to be the consoles that sell like ****, or flop are the ones that hold their value , so maybe the Wii U is a good investment after all lol

Which is why buying an expensive piece of hardware with no great games is foolish.

Think like that, one would never buy a console in the 1st place and you need to start to add 'imo' and the end of your posts . Might not be great games to you, to others they are . To some they have no interest in the likes of Mario or Pikmin doesn't mean they're crap though .

With microsoft and sony you at least know for a fact that games are going to roll in thick and fast.
Without big 3rd party support though, what value can any console really be?...especially with 1st party titles so slow to trickle ou

Yep it be just like the Wii Vs the 360 and PS3 all over again . Nintendo behind the times on Tech, Behind on 3rd party support &retail support,behind on-line and with just the odd AAA game every 2 years or so, Pikmin 4 moved to NCL next console Ect, Ect... The only real difference this time is mum,dad,gran,and grandfather won't help with sales of Hardware .

[speedlolita]

I sold a PAL SNES on eBay recently with Super Mario All Stars/World.

?60, that ain't cheap for a base machine.

[Team Andromeda]

I sold a PAL SNES on eBay recently with Super Mario All Stars/World.

?60, that ain't cheap for a base machine.

Its still a hell of a lot cheaper that would people paid for a Snes and copy of the games at the time though . All Stars alone cost ?50 new and then (at the time of All stars) the Snes was going for the ?140 mark .

So even the 'so called' best consoles aren't that good investments if its all about returning ones money

[Lurch]

WiiU Premium going for ?180 at Argos at the moment...

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/01/uk_retailer_argos_drops_wii_u_premium_to_p17999

[Geoff D]

Picked up my USA Snes with a handful of games for ?20 on e-bay .

Recently? Been looking for a few Snes games on the bay of late & prices eem to be skyrocketing :/

[Guts]

Think like that, one would never buy a console in the 1st place and you need to start to add 'imo' and the end of your posts . Might not be great games to you, to others they are . To some they have no interest in the likes of Mario or Pikmin doesn't mean they're crap though .

I don't do "IMO". If I post something, it's automatically MY PERSONAL OPINION, just like your posts are your opinions. I don't need to state that separately after every sentence. Also, that's a bit rich coming from you, when you've probably never used it yourself on the entire forum.

[Team Andromeda]

Also, that's a bit rich coming from you, when you've probably never used it yourself on the entire forum.

Unlike you , I play the games/systems I knock or call crap or . You might not like them or have no interest in them but they are far from ' crap'.

[Guts]

Why would I pay half a grand to play an almost universally slated turd like Ryze when I could be playing something good, on the PC for example, for 5 quid?

[jim g]

Picked up my USA Snes with a handful of games for ?20 on e-bay . .

You were very very lucky or bought it years ago. These days they are not cheap, a mint console alone can go for over a ton

[ItsThere]

Can we get this back on topic now please.

Any further posts about the price of the SNES / Super Famicom or related will be deleted from this thread.

[Team Andromeda]

Why would I pay half a grand to play an almost universally slated turd like Ryze when I could be playing something good, on the PC for example, for 5 quid?

Well like with books or films it not always best to go on the views of others , and better to form your own impressions . In a lot of reviews I seen the likes of Wonderful 101 get knocked and low scores, but I'll wait until I own and have played the game before calling it crap, Anarchy Reigns got a bit of kicking in the press but some here seem to love it .