Resolutiongate (resolution discussion)

[Brad]

So technical differences are as we might expect. PS3 and 360 are 720p at 30fps, Xbox one is 720p at 60fps with better effects etc. and ps4 is 1080p at 60fps. Pleased to see that increased power has been put into frame rate. Video coming later today apparently.

[djtickle]

Comparison

http://www.konami.jp/mgs5/gz/en/products/compare.html

[ozzzy189]

Yeah, i want 480i 15fps ! This 1080p 60 is no good.

[MisterBubbles]

Resolutiongate, ive forgot what number it is. You still thinking there wont be a SKU minus Kinect Boris?

[wakka]

I don't know why people are saying Kojima just likes PlayStation more. This exact same thing happened with TR lol.

I'm disappointed with the LE PS4 it looks really naff, like they just stuck a sticker on it. The gun metal coloured PS3 was wayyyyy better.

[originalbadboy]

How would removing kinect increase the resolution?

Magic ... Apparently!

[Lebowski]

Magic ... Apparently!

There are system resorces that are reserved for the os and system resorces reserved for kinect. Removing the reservation for the kinect if its not in use gives you more power to play with dosent it? hardly magic

[originalbadboy]

There are system resorces that are reserved for the os and system resorces reserved for kinect. Removing the reservation for the kinect if its not in use gives you more power to play with dosent it? hardly magic

That wouldn't make enough of a difference.. The issue is with the ESRAM being 32MB. Removing Kinect won't make games magically run at 1080p which are struggling. You might get a few frames back by disabling it, but not much more.

There will be some tricks with the hardware and the SDK that will mitigate it somewhat, so games coming out over the next couple of years will probably be ok, but at some point the PS4 will put ahead pretty significantly from a framerate and resolution point of view, once they get more technical. The One will still be able to do those games, just at a lower frame rate. Turning off Kinect will not solve the issue.

[Lebowski]

Maybe an Nintendo 64 style ram pack is whats needed then

[VR46]

What is the ESRAM in the PS4? why did MS skimp on it? is it really that expensive?

Genuine questions.

[EvilBoris]

What is the ESRAM in the PS4? why did MS skimp on it? is it really that expensive?

Genuine questions.

The PS4 doesn't have any .
The PS4 has an 8gb bank of very fast GDDR memory which it uses for the GPU and system memory.
It also has a better specced GPU.

The Xbox has 8GB of slower DDR ram which is shared between the CPU/GPU.
Then to mitigate this bandwidth bottleneck for the DDR being slower and GPU based stuff needing fast ram to work better, it has 32mb ESRAM, which is insanely fast RAM embedded within the actual GPU/CPU chip itself.
The Xbox one has a marginally faster CPU though.

The ESRAM is expensive to produce as it requires more stuff to be fitted on the die, which initially decrease the number of valid chips that will will come of the production line. The other ram will all be standard chips produced by a memory supplier, in both the Xbox and PS4.

The 360 used the same setup, so it was already tried and tested. Sony threw a curveball with their RAM, which was doubled after the reveal of the Xbox Ones specs.

[90s Kid]

What is the ESRAM in the PS4? why did MS skimp on it? is it really that expensive?

Genuine questions.

PS4 doesnt use ESRAM it has GDDR5. I can't tell you exactly how much the price difference is, but MS had to factor in Kinect anyway, I think that was their biggest issue with price.

I think the last gen versions actually look alright, but 60fps is the way forward for me. Really looking forward to it personally, not sure why there's so much fuss because it's main campaign is short...

[sj33]

What is the ESRAM in the PS4? why did MS skimp on it? is it really that expensive?

Genuine questions.

The PS4 uses 8GB of GDDR5. The XBox One only uses 8GB of DDR3 (regular DDR, not GDDR). The ESRAM is supposed to aid with the bottleneck causes by the slower RAM, but there's no looking past the fact that GDDR5 is massively, massively faster. No amount of ESRAM will fully overcome that.

GDDR5 was still very expensive when they were designing the console because of the low yield rate. Sony took the gamble that costs and yield rate would fall, and this gamble paid off.

RAM is not the only reason why the PS4 is the faster machine (though it is a major reason). The PS4 also uses a 50% faster GPU.

[VR46]

Thanks gents, knew about the GDDR5 and GPU etc but now know why I hadn't heard about the PS4 ESRA.

Cheers.

[speedlolita]

Anyone remember the whole MGS4 can't be on 360 thing?

The PS4 is better hardware, as was the PS3 before it. Nothing to get upset about.

Not to mention the track record of MGS on Sony hardware. It makes perfect sense to me.