The DS games shown so far.....

[Mofoman]

NGAGE??????PSONE?????

The Nintendo 64 surpassed these machines graphically by quite a margin,as anyone who has played games like Sin and Punishment and Majora's Mask will know and the Ds will have the ability to throw around even more poly's than a 64 so why alll the whinging,the case design is not by any means final and if I get to play the greatest games ever made on the go with whole new additions to the gameplay then I am all for it,co op Mazza 64 was gonna be introduced on the 64DD but never got to the market,now it will with wi fi capability WOW!!! is all I can say to that and can you imagine a co op wi fi sin and punishment with the game finally being introduced to massmarket audience???Also Mother 3 could be ressurected with the map and stats on one screen letting you get on with the quest instaed of pausing unpausing all the time,granted the two screens will be used for more than just maps stats etc.. but hey I am all for it plus Nintendo 64 on the go with more poly's is really exciting to me,I am still amzed when I play mario 64,the graphics have a charm to them unrivalled in this gen IMO.I think they will loook fantastic when running on such a small monitor too.Also stuff like Echo Delta can get released on ds with wi fi comp's and stat maps on one screen and a whole slew of so called dead 64DD projects that were hugely exciting can be ressurected by Miyamoto.

The great Mario Artist series that so precious lucky few of us have got to play can be released and it will now have the whole touch screen stylus stuff to add to the series as welll as having the comms disk built into the machine with the wifi and all,the series can finally be completed by Miyamoto too.Plus Sim City 64dd on the ds would be amzing as wlel with one screen for viewing your city in 3d and the other to go to any location in the city or be updated with citizen stats etc.etc..as well as retaining mario artist comapatibility,the possibilities are endless.All this **** about Yokoi turning in his grave is nonsense,it was probably him who gave yamauchi these kind of ideas in the first place and DS is Yamauchi's pet project remember,did you honestly think he would let all that R and D on 64DD projects go straight down the can???Get real,he now has a viable and exciting way to exploit the ideas and a cheap and free way of getting a nintendoo network up and running.

Please look at the positivesof the Ds like the dev houses are and not the negatives like,it has N64 style graphics blah de ****in blah.I'm sick of every time an innovative product comes to the market it gets killed without a chance to succeed ala Virtual Boy and then the masses wanna play it later and moan about how the company ditched it.Get behind Nintendo,a sony monopoly over the games market would be very very very unhealthy(I love playing on my ps2 and will purchase psp),we need competition and we need comapnies like nintendo to push the boundaries.

Let's not go back to the days where one company has all the third parties over a knife edge again.This multi market is showing us some of the most exciting days in games history yet.

[H-Man]

DS = N64 ports with a map

Sweet

[SharkAttack]

Wow! I'd love a portable N64. Can you point out which N64 games I'll be able to play as so far I can only see Mario 64 but thats been changed into a 4 player wireless link scavenger hunt with new power ups....

[Londonner]

Let's not go back to the days where one company has all the third parties over a knife edge again.

No one ever replies to my long posts, so I thought I'd respond to yours

I think Nintendo will run out of reasons to justify owning a home console hardware platform in the next 5 years, and in the long run, possibly even a portable hardware platform ie. when the install base of your competition combined shadows your own, the profit margins for publishing on Xbox and PSX become greater than licensing and publishing on your own hardware platform. It would make sense to go multi-platform.

As Otawa himself said, it's no longer about hardware processing power. It's about the games (IMHO it's always been about the games, otherwise Nintendo wouldn't have even lasted this long). In which case, the logical conclusion is: why bother competing on hardware?

Ultimately, who cares what the hardware is or what it looks like (it helps for the fickle general consumer if it's not embarassing to play in public or have in your living room ) as long as the games are good.

[JibberX]

So I slept on the whole DS thing, then the Wifi hit me round the face like a ton of bricks, thats a really smart addition for a portable device.

[Supergoal]

Two are on my shopping list one for the missus and one for me!

Roll on winter 2004

[df0notfound]

DS = N64 ports with a map

PSP = PSone ports and PS2 downgrades WITHOUT A MAP,
case closed DS wins

[nips]

Umm... what exactly is WiFi and why is it good on the Nintendo DS?

From what I can gather, it's just something like wireless networking, or something like that, so... multi-play!? Sounds cool!

[SharkAttack]

Well the bluetooth style Nintendo protocol allows for you to connect to and play wireless games on DS with anyone also setup in a radius of 100 metres maybe? So you could get on a train, look up who is around and start playing multiplayer games with them.

The WiFi allows you to connect to an internet server wirelessly either via a WiFi router or just tapping into a wireless network in your area, so this will allow full Online DS multiplay.

Something overlooked by some with the DS was the announcement that some games will allow you to have just the 1 game cart in DS 1, and then DS 2, 3 and 4 can just connect to that DS wirelessly and play the game without needing a copy themselves. Therefore you could freeload your games off of others in your general area.

[Mofoman]

Let's not go back to the days where one company has all the third parties over a knife edge again.

No one ever replies to my long posts, so I thought I'd respond to yours

I think Nintendo will run out of reasons to justify owning a home console hardware platform in the next 5 years, and in the long run, possibly even a portable hardware platform ie. when the install base of your competition combined shadows your own, the profit margins for publishing on Xbox and PSX become greater than licensing and publishing on your own hardware platform. It would make sense to go multi-platform.

As Otawa himself said, it's no longer about hardware processing power. It's about the games (IMHO it's always been about the games, otherwise Nintendo wouldn't have even lasted this long). In which case, the logical conclusion is: why bother competing on hardware?

Ultimately, who cares what the hardware is or what it looks like (it helps for the fickle general consumer if it's not embarassing to play in public or have in your living room ) as long as the games are good.

You made some good points there,but we will always need competition on the hardware front,it's what keeps markets alive,can you imagine if everyone owned a BMW or a Sony branded DVD player.Companies would no longer need to innovate or push forward as much,laziness would set in and the market could potentially crash.

I think if Nintendo loses alot of money on the Ds and there next console ends up as popular as the Gamecube,then I would have to agree with you that I could see nintendo potentially becoming a third party or allying with someone else on the hardware front.

[Toast]

Some comments here are so downbeat; it never ceases to amaze me how critical some gamers are.

Funnily enough I heard all of these ****ty uneducated comments when the DC came out. 3 years later everyone changes their tune because it fashionable to like? It was these typical ignorant views that damaged public perception of that machine and contributed to its demise.

The DS has gameplay options other machines don't support, it has backward compatibility with the huge backcat range of GBA software and it has reasonable graphical power.

Let?s see a game the PSP can do that the DS can't? Then let?s see that the other way round?

Steps forward are always slow but let?s not berate innovation in all of its forms, to do so would limit creation.

[Brats]

DP.

Tarnation!

[Brats]

So I slept on the whole DS thing, then the Wifi hit me round the face like a ton of bricks, thats a really smart addition for a portable device.

That's what really gets my juice going as well. If Nintendo implement this right, it would be amazing.

Imagine you're waiting for a delayed plane in an airport departure lounge. You've get a DS out to kill the time. You play a bit of solo Mario 64, then you fancy some multiplayer action. You get the DS to do a search for other players and bingo, it finds that another person is in the Wi-Fi radius with a DS.

This other guy is playing Wario Ware solo. You send him an invite to play Mario 64 and a message appears on his screen which he accepts. He doesn't own Mario 64, but it doesn't matter as you download the game to his machine. Suddenly you're both playing two player Mario 64! After a while, the guy suggests Wario Ware. You haven't got this game, but no problem, he downloads it to your machine. Now you're both playing Wario Ware!

Then you decide not to catch your plane after all .

[sam1981]

Wireless Made in Wario with all new mini games = bliss.

My fave game of last year had to be MIW on the GC simply because of the turtle multiplayer game, so the chance to play this wirelessly or online is too good to be true.

Shame I'm just too cynical to believe the 'download it onto someone else's machine depsite them not having the game idea'...

[hankwangford]

The biggest problem outside of a school for GBA/DS/any handheld link up game is that you simply just can't find the competition. Who's going to find themselves walking down the street with their DS and suddenly be notified that some pikeys are playing just down the street? Not many in this country.

The Wi-Fi idea is FANTASTIC though. I just hope game sessions won't end up being hosted on DS's