Do the games all run in 60hz?

[Yoshimax]

Not Very fair ><

I don't think it's quite that simple hence the 360 games coming out now requiring everybody run at 60hz and why EA segregated 50 & 60hz with Burnout on Xbox1.

It'd end up well out of synch !

[Jei]

UPDATE - I'm currently trying the PAL Release of VF5 on my USA PS3 via SD (RGB Scart) and can confirm it is DEFINATLY running in 60hz.

Luckily for me the TV states 60hz in the corner when you change onto the channel.

A friend is popping over with Motorstorm Later so i'l let you know the situation with that too.

Edit : I can also confirm that the PAL Version of Motorstorm also runs at 60hz via SD (RGB Scart).

[Leon Retro]

50hz

To be talking about 50hz in this day and age is strange, but for Sony to condemn Pal SD users to 50hz is sheer insanity.

The videogame industry gets crazier and crazier

[Elysium]

UPDATE - I'm currently trying the PAL Release of VF5 on my USA PS3 via SD (RGB Scart) and can confirm it is DEFINATLY running in 60hz.

Luckily for me the TV states 60hz in the corner when you change onto the channel.

A friend is popping over with Motorstorm Later so i'l let you know the situation with that too.

Edit : I can also confirm that the PAL Version of Motorstorm also runs at 60hz via SD (RGB Scart).

This really just makes it all the more hard to accept - the fact that the game (all games!) can easily run in 60hz mode (and do for NTSC regions!) but even though we can also use the same mode its being denied.. all because Sony could not be bothered to put in an option and allowed us the 'choice' ..

Whats all the more worrying is that no Euro'website has actually picked this up in its 'news' section and championed it on behalf of Europeans.. and by this I mean "Eurogamer" ... and even "Guardian Gaming Blog.." .. it kind of concerns me that its just being swept under the carpet.. and its a big big issue for a *lot* of people ..

[SCCAAMMM]

But the problem is that we are having to 'rely' on optimisation .. and this is not something that can always be trusted. How long will it be before developers simply give up and take the 'take it or leave it' attitude?

I'm also concerned about the length of time it will take for PAL games to make it to Europe if 'extra work' is required per-game. You only need to look at Crackdown, Pro Evolution Soccer, etc.. on the 360 to see that your 'expected' to be able to take 60hz. They are not losing sales because of it.. so why are Sony risking losing sales because of this 50hz problem.

I will not be able to buy a game for my PS3 until I have it 'verified' (or played a demo) that the game works well in the enforced 50hz (SD). Europeans who are concerned will not be able to trust any reviews, because they will be concentrating purely on the score of the 60hz version. So we have essentially being left out of in the cold.. Fortunately my 360 and even Wii experience is not like this.

Oh, I agree with you completely. The situation is a disgrace. I was just saying that Tekken DR is one of the better 50hz games.

[Gaol]

I've been trying to help some guys get there 940mw monitors working over on the official US forums via an HDMI->DVI cable and then stumbled on this thread. My NTSC machine has no probs but they can't get a picture on there PAL machines.

The reason? I'm reckoning a weird side effect of not having a PAL-60hz mode is you won't be able to hook up a UK PS3 to a monitor. Whilst your configuring the display mode, the output in HDMI defaults to 576p; and the 50Hz refresh rate is outside the range of many monitors. Something to bear in mind.

[dc-arena]

So all PS3 games are 50hz then? Surely 720p is 60hz?

[Garny]

So all PS3 games are 50hz then? Surely 720p is 60hz?

720p, 1080i and 1080p all work fine with 60hz on a PAL PS3. Its those with SD sets that have been having problems. Come to think of it, maybe this is why Sony havent stuck any region locks on the games so far. They know that HD is still only used by a small amount of people in the UK and Europe so any loss on UK sales to imports would be small as you cant play them unless you have an HD tv set.

[Lyrical Donut]

EU PS3's are 50hz only when used on an SDTV. The only video output option you get is 576i.

US/JP PS3's are 60hz on SD sets, so there's no excuse for it, really.

Sony blatantly want more people to import, I guess

[Spark]

They didn't have much of a choice with me anyway, there was no way I was paying &#163;425 for an inferior machine.

[fahrenheit]

Whats all the more worrying is that no Euro'website has actually picked this up in its 'news' section and championed it on behalf of Europeans.. and by this I mean "Eurogamer" ... and even "Guardian Gaming Blog.." .. it kind of concerns me that its just being swept under the carpet.. and its a big big issue for a *lot* of people ..

Agreed. There is a definite need for something comprehensively written and portrayed so even the most tech-illiterate people can understand what is going on here.

Its not too late for Sony to add this to a firmware upgrade, they clearly just need the motivating kick in the arse to do so.

[FafaFooey]

Agreed. There is a definite need for something comprehensively written and portrayed so even the most tech-illiterate people can understand what is going on here.

Its not too late for Sony to add this to a firmware upgrade, they clearly just need the motivating kick in the arse to do so.

Exactly! I actually suspect that a lot of the developers were expecting a PAL60 mode to be included in the PAL PS3.
Let's be honest.. has Sega ever let us down when it came to 60hz modes in their software?

I just refuse to believe that a company that is so devoted and perfectionistic when it comes to a game like Virtua Fighter 5.. would not put in a 60hz mode if they had known the PS3 forces you to play in 50hz!
As a matter of fact.. Virtua Fighter 4 has a 60hz mode, so it makes no sense!

Sega has always been pro-60hz so why would they abandon that now? Probably because they assume PAL users can choose PAL60 by default..

[Spark]

I did notice this the other day, my brother ran the HK demo of RR7 on a PAL system and TV and it ran in 50hz with borders and subsequently looked utter ****.

It would have been very easy for Sony to include 60hz support, and I do hope it arrives in an update, although it should rightfully already be there, we had 60hz on PAL in the days of the Dreamcast, it isn't exactly a new concept.

[fahrenheit]

If I was a true conspiracy theorist, I'd say its a cynical move to sell HDTV's in Europe and nothing more.

Though I support the widespread adoption of HD and think that the PS3 can't really be appreciated without one, I don't agree with this type of tactic if even remotely true.

You have one division of the company selling HDTV's and another division selling a device that drives content for those HDTV's, both drive sales for the other. Its not really much of a stretch to call foul.

Either that or they just ****ed up. Muppets.

[Spark]

It's probably the latter to be honest.