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    Sniggering at your equipment, when? You seem to have the wrong end of yet another angry stick. The only time recently I have been ?elitist? to another rargh member was Daragon boasting about having +23 INT on blm, which for being lvl75 is quite low, I was corrected by him say he was in a 60cap so I took it back, nothing about AF. Other jab?s at daragon are always towards his innate ability to get lost, agro and die anywhere which is always source of much humour for those that know him.

    The last time I talked about poor equipment was a monk last week, using full monk AF at level75, leeching on the party, his damage was poor. And im spending my hard worked gil on bullets and cards for this guy?s free ride when he could quite easily put a little work in to getting the good ?FREE? equipment from assault or camp one of the now many Rare/ex NM mobs for o.kote, Fuma?s, etc.etc. not going up against gil sellers.

    If you check my gear you?ll find all but a 3/4 items are RARE/EX worked bloody hard for to get via, Dynamis, Limbus, Assault, BCNM, NM camping, if you can?t be arsed to do the same it?s none of my business unless you?re leeching. As for using AF at 70+ it depends on the job, my CoR would quite easily get away using standard AF, my Sam for 3 years used AF pants all the time, until I upgraded them in limbus to +1 a couple of months ago. Wearing old equipment isn?t the problem, It?s wearing old equipment that is surpassed by higher level, easy or cheap to obtain equipment with a bit of work.

    Plus this always more of a case of your levelling practices, levelling a 2x starter job?s together to 75 is stupid, especially with no gil pool. None of us to my knowledge have levelled 2 jobs together when we started out, we all did one job got it high level and then use that to feed gil into other jobs, and all of us never had super fancy equipment on our first jobs either(except maybe rare, but that?s his own fault ). I went to into my 60?s using not of the low level uber gear I would gain later on(kotes, CoP equipment), the only time I stopped was to get Haubie in which I farmed hard for 3months.

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      Originally posted by Tobal View Post
      Sniggering at your equipment, when? You seem to have the wrong end of yet another angry stick. The only time recently I have been ‘elitist’ to another rargh member was Daragon boasting about having +23 INT on blm, which for being lvl75 is quite low, I was corrected by him say he was in a 60cap so I took it back, nothing about AF. Other jab’s at daragon are always towards his innate ability to get lost, agro and die anywhere which is always source of much humour for those that know him.

      The last time I talked about poor equipment was a monk last week, using full monk AF at level75, leeching on the party, his damage was poor. And im spending my hard worked gil on bullets and cards for this guy’s free ride when he could quite easily put a little work in to getting the good ‘FREE’ equipment from assault or camp one of the now many Rare/ex NM mobs for o.kote, Fuma’s, etc.etc. not going up against gil sellers.

      If you check my gear you’ll find all but a 3/4 items are RARE/EX worked bloody hard for to get via, Dynamis, Limbus, Assault, BCNM, NM camping, if you can’t be arsed to do the same it’s none of my business unless you’re leeching. As for using AF at 70+ it depends on the job, my CoR would quite easily get away using standard AF, my Sam for 3 years used AF pants all the time, until I upgraded them in limbus to +1 a couple of months ago. Wearing old equipment isn’t the problem, It’s wearing old equipment that is surpassed by higher level, easy or cheap to obtain equipment with a bit of work.

      Plus this always more of a case of your levelling practices, levelling a 2x starter job’s together to 75 is stupid, especially with no gil pool. None of us to my knowledge have levelled 2 jobs together when we started out, we all did one job got it high level and then use that to feed gil into other jobs, and all of us never had super fancy equipment on our first jobs either(except maybe rare, but that’s his own fault ). I went to into my 60’s using not of the low level uber gear I would gain later on(kotes, CoP equipment), the only time I stopped was to get Haubie in which I farmed hard for 3months.
      The situation in case was actually promyvion-Vahzl, which as most of you are aware is a 50 cap, plus I was on my rdm with both mnd and int over +20, which for that level represents decent gear. My anger at the time which you've confused for bragging was simply down to my gravity spell being constantly resisted despite my capped enfeeble magic and stat bonuses, and for all you rdm out there you should know that when gravity gets resisted its no fun at all.

      Again, not having a dig, just saying it like it was

      And yes, I've taken to working extremely hard both for myself and others in an attempt to obtain the gear we need, I've started putting alot more effort into Dynamis now that its starting to pay off, I've been driven to the point of madness by several key NMs, I've devoted time to farming when my cash had reached danger level and I've been able to support some nice equip with spoils from various BC/KS and ENMs.

      The problem is there comes a time when I simply can't manage these things by myself and I just get so frustrated and ultimately depressed when I try to do so.
      Last edited by Daragon; 16-05-2007, 12:50.

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        Originally posted by Tobal View Post
        The last time I talked about poor equipment was a monk last week, using full monk AF at level75
        That's what I was on about specifically, mate. You've never taken the piss out of me, nor would you have reason to either, unless you ever see me in your party with a Friar's Rope equiped.

        Some people might not have the help or the resources in order to beef up what could be really expensive gear, that MNK might have only been playing for a few months and be 11yrs old or something. Instead of taking the piss in LS chat why not spend those 5secs giving him a few pointers instead?

        I just don't like people being referred to as gimps or being pointed at, even if they're someone random, and I'm sure everyone would be running around in bling-ass gear if they could. I was almost tempted to carry on my jobs without AF it took that long to get. Now skelleh + Rep are both getting their gear over a few days, when I had to drop exp in the 10's of thousands to strive for mine.

        If you check my gear you’ll find all but a 3/4 items are RARE/EX worked bloody hard for to get via, Dynamis, Limbus, Assault, BCNM, NM camping, if you can’t be arsed to do the same it’s none of my business unless you’re leeching.
        This is the paradox... how many BCNM have I done with the LS? How much r/e do I have that I'm more or less growing out of rapidly? How do I reach an end-game level where I can participate in these events WITHOUT coming across as being a gimp?

        Don't worry man, when I get to your level I'll be caning all this end-game stuff and getting myself stuff more than anyone. 9hrs playtime during weekdays and over 40hrs at weekends should go somewhere - I can easily miss sleep some nights for late Dynamis runs like Rare did last night, god knows where this will end if it gets anymore addictive than it already is.

        I got myself Bounding Boots and soon Emp. Hairpin + Nadrs, like I said when I can do stuff myself I will, and I'm actually quite reluctant to ask for help as I don't want to 'leech' or end up in anyone's debt.

        Christ, I helped that mate of Skelleh's camp LL after I got my drop for a further 40hrs.

        Originally posted by Tobal View Post
        ...and all of us never had super fancy equipment on our first jobs either(except maybe rare, but that’s his own fault )
        I'm the same as him unfortunately.

        Shaman's Cloak, Moldavite Earring, Duende Cotehardie, Sinister Mask for DRK.... once you start obtaining the r/e (which I don't have a problem with, someone always helps with camps) it's hard to stop, it's just that the bug carries across to normal auctionable gear too which is where I get stuck.

        You can't slate me for not putting time in, leeching or not being committed enough, that's pure bollocks frankly.

        sry if I'm coming across all emo/gay whatever, I'm actually sat here typing this not giving a f**k. It's just when I log in for a good night of gaming the ominous 'mood' kicks in, and I'd rather be playing something else tbh as I don't play games for stress or for feeling left out or whatever.

        Originally posted by Daragon View Post
        ...someone out there attempted to persuade asya from preventing me joining on account of me being a quote "noob" which I can accept in a sarcastic manner, but when someone tries to use it against me in such a way, I tend to get a bit pissed.
        That's out of order totally. None of us are noobs until self-stated, such as myself with not knowing the first thing about being past lvl60. Anyone pointing the 'n00b' finger at anyone else needs to have a think about what they're doing.
        Last edited by dataDave; 16-05-2007, 13:39.

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          As someone without huge amounts of Expensive or R/E gear I firmly believe you can progress at least until Lv75/End Game by understanding what equipment/stats you need to fullfill your role and achieve this using mostly reasonably priced / obtainable equipment.

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            Originally posted by talizker View Post
            As someone without huge amounts of Expensive or R/E gear I firmly believe you can progress at least until Lv75/End Game by understanding what equipment/stats you need to fullfill your role and achieve this using mostly reasonably priced / obtainable equipment.
            I'm sure I could play totally naked if forced to, WHM anyway.

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              Originally posted by DavidFallows View Post
              I'm sure I could play totally naked if forced to, WHM anyway.
              I'm not sure how to take that . You do know that my main job is RDM?

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                Originally posted by talizker View Post
                As someone without huge amounts of Expensive or R/E gear I firmly believe you can progress at least until Lv75/End Game by understanding what equipment/stats you need to fullfill your role and achieve this using mostly reasonably priced / obtainable equipment.
                Thats just what im trying to say, there are plenty of gear with 1 or 2 less thats than pimpy equip that will do fine.

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                  Its not so much the desire for all the best gear, its the constant belief I have that people are conspiring behind my back and talking in hushed whispers regarding my lack of said gear which gets to me.

                  People really do need to start appreciating that an extra point of int here and there will not make the slightest difference, yet people around me make me feel uncomfortable because I don't have it and I know for a fact that a number of members of AnD have such an attitude towards me, thats partly why I'd given though to leaving.

                  Doesn't make me any less of a player either way, so why it should affect anyone?

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                    Originally posted by talizker View Post
                    I'm not sure how to take that . You do know that my main job is RDM?
                    ...

                    Perhaps if you we're Mithra mate...

                    (I'm sorry, I'm busy now)

                    Originally posted by Daragon View Post
                    People really do need to start appreciating that an extra point of int here and there will not make the slightest difference, yet people around me make me feel uncomfortable because I don't have it and I know for a fact that a number of members of AnD have such an attitude towards me, thats partly why I'd given though to leaving.
                    With attitudes like that I'm questioning if I should carry on at all. I'm attacking myself for not having the best gear, if I find other people doing that it'll be the nail in the coffin.

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                      Cheery thread 4tw

                      1. It's hard to make gil these days. I'm struggling too and I used to a sucker for spending weeks at a time farming on godforsaken places just to fund New Toy+1 of Doom. Nowadays, I don't so much. Partly because I've become lazy partly because the economy has changed to a point where it's harder. But this isn't restricted to any one individual, it affects a large portion of the players. I think I can recall everyone who posts here making at least one statement where they are feeling the pinch (except Apa, that bastard appears to be ****ing minted).

                      2. No one laughs at someone using AF at 75 purely because it's AF. Some AF is good, some (most) is **** apart from specific circumstances. If your a PLD you get away with full AF for a long time. Most jobs don't have that luxury and even fewer have the option of a spectacular Rare/EX body piece that is better than AF. Many others have to save up and purchase a piece of armour crafted from expensive HNM drop materials. Grass is not always greener etc...

                      3. Dj has laid down the challenge on NIN shizz. Bring your STR gear boyo. Let'sa compare. I'll have you know I have a perfectly fine WS gear swap thank you very much

                      4. My name was mentioned many times in above posts and I wasn't even contributing. I'm uncertain whether to be flattered or worried.

                      Seriouesly, this is a game and meant to be fun. If it's not, don't play for a while. If it's meant to be, you will come back (most people do). Stressing is not what it's about

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                        Originally posted by DavidFallows View Post
                        ...

                        Perhaps if you we're Mithra mate...

                        (I'm sorry, I'm busy now)
                        I'm still confused (but not looking for an arguement).


                        Originally posted by DavidFallows View Post
                        I'm attacking myself for not having the best gear.
                        You really shouldn't unless its effecting your performance which, based on my 1st post on the subject, should not be the case anyway.
                        Last edited by talizker; 16-05-2007, 14:20.

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                          Originally posted by C' View Post
                          3. Dj has laid down the challenge on NIN shizz. Bring your STR gear boyo. Let'sa compare. I'll have you know I have a perfectly fine WS gear swap thank you very much
                          mwhahahahaha! Rare as example ftw lolz

                          On another note how did Dyna Sandy go??!?

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                            I don't want to talk about it ;_;

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                              Originally posted by C' View Post
                              I don't want to talk about it ;_;
                              lolz tell us!?!

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                                Originally posted by C' View Post
                                I don't want to talk about it ;_;
                                Let me guess, plenty of Rare related death + plenty nin AF all lotted on by people that weren't you?

                                Am I close?

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