Lost

[dvdmike]

Am I the only one that is on the edge of my seat every ep ?

[Dirty Sanchez]

Nope, although it would seem so with all the popcorn munchers on here.

[Jebus]

Nope, although it would seem so with all the popcorn munchers on here.

That is harsh. You are call us "popcorn munchers" even though we actually state what we feel is the problem (I've not seen anyone saying things like "It's boring I don't like it" in this thread despite what you say) and you tell us things like "why watch it then" and talk about how we aren't discussing things we should. It's a television show, thats all!

I'm on the edge of my seat during an episode of course, most of us are. You seem to have a real problem with us feeling that most of the time it's lazy writing. All we want is SOME answers, not all of them. The show is becoming so convoluted with non-information it'd just be nice to get something back occasionally.

I really don't see the problem, I still enjoy the show but I feel it's treading a fine line.

Would you be happy with this style if it continues up to a 9th season, still posing more questions than answers?

I love this show, and have done since the very first episode. But the 2nd episode of this new season really showed what was wrong with it at times. Was it neccessary? It's okay for us to assume all the important things about the islands/others/etc but we need to be TOLD that Sun DID cheat on Jin...what purpose did it serve? Did it entice us further with a showing of them all being linked? No. Episode 1 of season 3 was EXCELLENT, episode 3 was pretty good too but I almost feel there are too many characters now, it takes an entire episode (and I'd imagine a few more yet) to show what happened to Lock and Eko, but what we are wanting to know is about the others, Jack, Sawyer and Kate!

[Dirty Sanchez]

I don't think it's harsh. The fact that when there is a 'good' episode the tumblebrush is rolling, when there is a 'poor' episode the same old whines come out. They are the same whines as Series 1.

I think the writing is inventive and has great depth, both from a character perspective and a content/link perspective. That is all too often glossed over with a claim that it was obvious x or y happened because of z. Say in the Sun example, Sun clearly lied to her father about the Balerina. He knew it, she knew it. She alter lied/disrespected him by being with Jin and then cheating on top of that. He sent Jun to do the kill, he disprespected him by not following out his bidding. Do we know if baldy was thrown off of he jumped? No, we have guessed. My guess is he was thrown, was it Jack, Sawyer or Kate perhaps, acting for Sun's father? For pretty central characters there is no way that flashback episode was in there for nothing. The ability to lie and deceive may have cost an Other their life, does this strike doubt/fear in them that their data is flawed? Would this explain the treatment of the captives, they are being retested for the reponses they are likely to display?

I'm more than happy with the show, I don't need the answers. Much like a Shakespeare play there is more behind the story and actions than just the written script. Yes it is a fine line, a line I think they are playing very well.

[Dogg Thang]

They are the same whines as Series 1.

Exactly. You have hit the nail on the head here Sanchez. They are the same whines as Series 1.

Series 1 - stunning opening. Absolutely stunning. Some great, interesting characters with the promise of some lovely twists and turns. Some really strange things going on with the promise of a beautifully crafted story intermingling the past and present.

A great first act... that led nowhere.

Series 2 - nowhere still.

A first act without a second and third is worthless. Any whines on Series 1 should have been long put passed us as those characters built and were revealed and that plot unfolded. But those characters never built. They were never revealed. That plot never unfolded.

Instead, the show just piled more characters and more plot on top of what was there. From the sounds of things, season 3 is doing the same (I can't speak for that personally).

So the show is in a constant state of first act. The show is stagnant.

That is an unsatisfying place to be and, more than that, is not good storytelling. That you're willing to blindly accept that and desperately try to put a plot together that simply doesn't exist actually ends up showing the 'popcorn munchers' (who demand progression, revelation and everything that makes up a good story) in a very positive light.

[buster_broon]

I think the writing is inventive and has great depth, both from a character perspective and a content/link perspective.

i like the character development especially Sawyer and Sun

but others bore me especially hobbit

but i just dont understand how you feel its inventive or has great depth

there isnt any depth as none of it gets explained, it always skims about the surface and inventive?, what a polar bear in the jungle which they havent totally explained from its appearance in Series 1

we all can agree that it appeared from Walts Comic but the writers havent said as much

but we can say when the story gets a little stale that story will be told just to try and keep it ticking over

but i'm liking season 3 so far - just dont want filler episodes to start all over again

for a thread to be contructive you need both positive and negative comments

[charlesr]

Um, perhaps the polar bear came from

->Open Spoiler<-

the zoo? The guard said to Sawyer (when he solved the fishbiscuit puzzle) "It only took the bears an hour to solve"

(Don't read that if you aren't watching season 3 already)

[buster_broon]

Um, perhaps the polar bear came from

->Open Spoiler<-

the zoo? The guard said to Sawyer (when he solved the fishbiscuit puzzle) "It only took the bears an hour to solve"

->Open Spoiler<-

yeah thats another perhaps - but how did they get there, thats the point i'm trying to say over 50hours of programming and there has been comments, but nothing concrete and as usual Polar bears on a tropical island - i know its a special island, just waiting to see dolphins riding a bike and tipping there hat to all that they pass

just a complainer, but not a hater

just like all my programmes to be punchy and this kinda drags on and gives you tit bits occassionally

as for on the edge of your seat - buy a bigger chair

[Dirty Sanchez]

You can't be watching the same show if you can't find any progression through the series. Take Locke as a simple example, a character that was meek in the real world, a gung ho hero on the Island who had a strange faith. His faith was strengthened by the monster and the hatch, then cruelly broken by his quest for answers. How ironic.

I'm not blindly accepting the plot, I'm making informed guesses based on the information being presented, I don't need to be spoon fed a plot.

The Dharma organisation has a number of areas of interest, allowing a number of directions to be taken, not just a single simple Hollywood hero alien busting plot. The show is multi faceted and by chopping and changing the focus keeps the viewer on the edge.

[buster_broon]

You can't be watching the same show if you can't find any progression through the series. Take Locke as a simple example, a character that was meek in the real world, a gung ho hero on the Island

how was he meek in the real world? just because of his disability?

if you remember he was turned away from a hunting trip and thats why he was in Oz, so someone who is handicapped trying to get on a hunting adventure doesnt strike me as a meek person especially since he tried to beg that guy when he was told that insurance wouldnt cover him

*no spoiler since its old news*

now this could be a moot point as i cant remember but has it told you how he actually found his way into a wheelchair

i dont think it has but it sidelined and told you about his father and one of his organs - thats my point, 1 step forward and 2 steps back

[Dogg Thang]

Chopping and changing the focus allows them to never finish what they start. You can call that 'multi-faceted' if you like. I'd call it unsatisfying and cheap.

I still think the show has a great premise - that's why I still read this thread in the hope that, at some point, it will start realising the potential.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Dharma have a number of links to animal experiments and behavioural study, so the cages/zoo is a fair guess for the source of the bears.

Walt is described as being 'special' and the literary links to 'Island' seem to point to image projection, either from a being or a machine. The visions up to now have been solitary or none invasive, the bear this time around was different. Two characters saw the damage to the boar and the physical fur trail that led to the cave. I'm not convinced it was a real bear, more a metamorphation of one by Locke based on faith/fear.

Buster, fair comment but the fact that you like punchy fits in with my thowing around the popcorn handle. Lost is different from anything else out there, ebing different has attracted criticism.

[Dirty Sanchez]

He was meek in the box factory, his boss bullied him around.

[buster_broon]

Chopping and changing the focus allows them to never finish what they start. You can call that 'multi-faceted' if you like. I'd call it unsatisfying and cheap.

I still think the show has a great premise - that's why I still read this thread in the hope that, at some point, it will start realising the potential.

i agree and when its in full flow its a terrific series, it just gets started and then falls away for a couple of episodes

Dirty - i'm not saying that the watchers shouldnt be left in the dark about things and keeping other stories until later but sometimes it just drags and i just like to watch great television and it doesnt feel like it sometimes

as for being different, yeah you are right but a couple more better scriptwriters and conclusions of some side stories might take it into its own

maybe thats why channel 4 have stated that the viewers are turning off in their droves, but i feel (so far) season 3 will more than make up for season 2

but the popcorn statement is just ridiculous, just kinda seems you feel Lost is different and you like it and if anybody says any different they are wrong

maybe a step back and removal of the lost tinted glasses might help

**edit**
so there is another story why would somebody get bullied at a box factory then get crippled and try and go hunting - thats about 10 episodes right there

[Jebus]

You can't be watching the same show if you can't find any progression through the series. Take Locke as a simple example, a character that was meek in the real world, a gung ho hero on the Island who had a strange faith. His faith was strengthened by the monster and the hatch, then cruelly broken by his quest for answers. How ironic.

But what about that is particularly incredible? People change, wow who would have guessed that! Everybody has the ability to change who they are and how they act. I don't find it particularly incredible for him to have changed after a huge aircrash whereby he woke up ALIVE and with his legs working.

As for the "spoon fed the plot" comment, well, we're just going to have to disagree on this one. I do feel season 2 was very different to season 1, we got to know about the characters in season 1, in season 2 there was an opportunity to extend that AND answer some question whilst yes, they could still pose more. I believe they have taken the easy way out, and rather than get criticised for the answers not being what the viewers want to hear...they just don't answer.

I feel the show is about the characters, their development, their personalities and I always have. I don't think it would harm the show in ANY way for them to give away more about what is going on than they have, this isn't spoon feeding the viewer, it's called having a bloody story that isn't overly-complex, overly-convuluted and just plain convenient and lazy at points. I'm all for having a big story that makes you think, but they have travelled down so many routes now they almost need a bloody spin off to explain certain things. Things are forgotten just to enable them to show us the next big thing, I don't like that because it's incredibly lazy writing and it worries me with how long the show might go on, it's brilliant but if it's 9 seasons long, well...I don't think that will work.

I like the fact the show makes me think, it's the most interesting thing on the TV but I don't like the fact that they tease you all the time and that they just conveniently skip over anything they don't feel like explaining at the time.

TV shows should be about entertainment, not everybody has the time to trawl through the endless websites and theories all over the place, sometimes it'd be nice to just get given some kind of clue without having to ****ing research a TV show, that doesn't make us popcorn munchers at all.

I agree with Buster above, and to be honest I found the popcorn comment a little rude, although I respect people have different opinions it seems that since we disagree that you think we are all idiots, which (whilst you may not think it) is how it came across, to me at least.