Prometheus

[Dogg Thang]

No I don't think it's the same planet. I watched Alien, Aliens and Prometheus in the same week and

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it's not the same ship, it's not the same space jockey and it's really unlikely to be the same planet. The ship in Alien and Aliens is found on a vastly different planet. Obviously it's not the same number either - why change the numbers if they wanted it to be the same planet? And the space jockey in Alien was in the seat, helmeted and then his chest was burst through. It's not the same dude and it's not the same situation. And the alien seen at the end of Prometheus is also not the same xenomorph. It's not like Scott couldn't have made it match. These differences are deliberate because it's not the same planet.

Prometheus does show, however, what was going on and what the xenomorphs are - one of the creations that was being brought somewhere and things went bad.

As for the company having the Prometheus data, what you're not allowing for is everything else that happened in the universe between the movies. In both Alien and Aliens, it is implied that alien discovery is not an exceptional or unexpected occurrence. By the time of Alien, they aren't going to expect every planet or encounter to turn out to be LV-223. However, that in both movies, the company immediately channels them through the bio weapons division would imply that, taking all the movies as a whole (even though Prometheus is obviously new), they knew there was a stash of aliens out there that are, as Prometheus shows,

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destroyers by design.

[JU!]

Saw it enjoyed it quite a a lot. I thought at first a few plot holes, although I found answers here http://www.prometheus-movie.com/ to most in their spoiler forum. Great acting especially Michael Fassbender. Thought Rapace was good as well and Theron's character underused a bit.

More brilliant Fassbender test things below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGfTxagPWuE

Can't wait to watch again Blu-Ray as lots of thinking to do to analyse stuff that has been answered by other people. I think this is a Lindelof thing like in Lost too where stuff is left unexplained and you think and get yr own answers through talking about it. Some things in it are not obvious on 1st viewing. Only one scene still has me baffled

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The medical scene where Shaw cuts herself open. No onein the crew mentioned what happened and that she attacked people, and nor does she (very strange)

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Ridley Scott said on Kermode and Mayo there is going to be "an extended version released, and he did not get to put in all what he wanted to", so that's maybe why the one scene is weird. About the planet thing RS said also in the same interview it is different planets in the same universe.

Kermode and Mayo Ridley Scott below no spoilers in the interview starts at 30 mins I believe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode

[Dogg Thang]

Which scene left you baffled? There were a few odd ones for me. I stopped watching Lost because I thought it was a total sham so I would not be a Lindolf fan and, for me, it kind of stinks of lazy and messy writing. And actually, now that I think of it, even early on I never bought character motivations in Lost (especially the convenient lack of communication) so maybe that's what I'm seeing in Prometheus too.

I actually almost pissed myself laughing at the

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'father'

scene.

[PaTaito]

As for the company having the Prometheus data, what you're not allowing for is everything else that happened in the universe between the movies. In both Alien and Aliens, it is implied that alien discovery is not an exceptional or unexpected occurrence. By the time of Alien, they aren't going to expect every planet or encounter to turn out to be LV-223. However, that in both movies, the company immediately channels them through the bio weapons division would imply that, taking all the movies as a whole (even though Prometheus is obviously new), they knew there was a stash of aliens out there that are, as Prometheus shows,

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destroyers by design.

It doesnt explain why they would divert such a small non specialist crew, on what one would imagine to be a very valuable payload, to a distress signal if they knew what the origin planet/moon was potentially about. And i'm sure that in alien the system destination they discover is the same as in prometheus....i'll have to check.

That simple fact implies that weyland are oblivious to the previous goings on of lv-223.

I mean the crew of 17 even had weapons in prometheus, not so for the small crew of 7 on the nostromo.....sure you could argue that weyland couldnt give a damn about the cost of human life, but given your theory that alien discovery wasnt anything big, then surely the value of the nostromo would have been a huge detracting factor for not diverting the nostromo in alien.

[Dogg Thang]

The implication is that the aliens encountered are mostly never a threat ('bug hunt'). They are still searching. If you send a crew of company experts every time there is a hint of alien life looking for a stash of bio weapons, about 100 planets later you're going to spread your resources because you're wasting them. They didn't just divert the Nostromo - Ash was put on board at the last minute to check it out. They knew what they were looking for before the Nostromo left wherever it had previously been. As I said, the company is always full of ****.

Even before Prometheus, there is an issue between Alien and Aliens however. If the company knew they were expecting to find something juicy there and the Nostromo never returned, why just send colonists there later? Why not send the serious firepower and scientists as soon as the Nostromo vanished?

[Fader209]

The implication is that the aliens encountered are mostly never a threat ('bug hunt').

Don't forget the Arcturian poontang.

[Stoppy2000]

In alien, aliens and Prometheus there is no doubt that the company will take any loss (monetary or life) to get their hands on whatever they think may be there. In alien I imagine they suspect it will be a new life form, in aliens I imagine they are pretty confident it will be hostile.
Also they are definitely different planets and different (though similar) breeds of xenomorph.

[PaTaito]

The implication is that the aliens encountered are mostly never a threat ('bug hunt'). They are still searching. If you send a crew of company experts every time there is a hint of alien life looking for a stash of bio weapons, about 100 planets later you're going to spread your resources because you're wasting them. They didn't just divert the Nostromo - Ash was put on board at the last minute to check it out. They knew what they were looking for before the Nostromo left wherever it had previously been. As I said, the company is always full of ****.

Even before Prometheus, there is an issue between Alien and Aliens however. If the company knew they were expecting to find something juicy there and the Nostromo never returned, why just send colonists there later? Why not send the serious firepower and scientists as soon as the Nostromo vanished?

Again though, the data from prometheus would have plut LV-426(if it is a different moon/planet) very close to LV-223....and given the assumption that weyland already knew something, why would they risk such a valuable ship, with such a small crew. It makes no sense.

Maybe they got something back from the prometheus, but it wasnt very specific or detailed.

I'm not convinced.

The colony thing is interesting though, probably placed it there knowing the risk...but it would make weyland corp appear oblivious, just incase more than just ripley survived.

[JU!]

Which scene left you baffled? There were a few odd ones for me. I stopped watching Lost because I thought it was a total sham so I would not be a Lindolf fan and, for me, it kind of stinks of lazy and messy writing. And actually, now that I think of it, even early on I never bought character motivations in Lost (especially the convenient lack of communication) so maybe that's what I'm seeing in Prometheus too.

I actually almost pissed myself laughing at the

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'father'

scene.

Edited my above post and added extra stuff. Enjoyed Lost myself watched all of it, had rather a lot of holes and unexplained stuff. I hope these are not what we are seeing in Prometheus. And they will be explained as people have explained in various places. The scene you mention was slightly odd I was not that disturbed by it though. Maybe I misunderstood your question above.

Even before Prometheus, there is an issue between Alien and Aliens however. If the company knew they were expecting to find something juicy there and the Nostromo never returned, why just send colonists there later? Why not send the serious firepower and scientists as soon as the Nostromo vanished?

Maybe they wanted to see what happened to the Colonists? Not sure maybe a plot hole. Making of on the Aliens Blu-Ray does not say either if I remember rightly. As far as I understand it, in my opinion Weyland always think the Alien won't be a very big threat/want samples and to examine it. Same as Prometheus just looking around.

[Dogg Thang]

@Stoppy - In both Alien and Aliens, they mention bringing them back to the weapons division. Forgetting Prometheus (given it didn't exist back then), the implication is still that they're looking for a hostile pot o' gold.

@Ju - Yeah that scene was bananas on a whole bunch of levels.

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She gives birth to an alien squid and tells nobody? I guess it didn't come up. And the people she attacked didn't chase her? And then she walks into a room with the guy who set it up and an old guy who was supposed to be dead for some reason (why?) and, again, nobody mentions a thing. Piss poor writing.

And I wish you hadn't got me thinking of Lost because that not mentioning really huge events was classic Lost and it's just bad, convenient writing. The movie is bugging me more now!

[Stoppy2000]

@Stoppy - In both Alien and Aliens, they mention bringing them back to the weapons division. Forgetting Prometheus (given it didn't exist back then), the implication is still that they're looking for a hostile pot o' gold.

Yeah obviously the major money to be made is from weapons. Probably true in real life as well. God knows what'd happen if we did find a peaceful alien species.

The main thing to take away from this whole franchise is that the company are bastards.

[PaTaito]

The main thing to take away from this whole franchise is that the company are bastards.

I'd love to see a sequel/prequel which goes into detail weylands true thoughts, and knowledge of what happened....with it leading up to the nostromo launching events.

[JU!]

@Stoppy -

@Ju - Yeah that scene was bananas on a whole bunch of levels.

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She gives birth to an alien squid and tells nobody? I guess it didn't come up. And the people she attacked didn't chase her? And then she walks into a room with the guy who set it up and an old guy who was supposed to be dead for some reason (why?) and, again, nobody mentions a thing. Piss poor writing.

And I wish you hadn't got me thinking of Lost because that not mentioning really huge events was classic Lost and it's just bad, convenient writing. The movie is bugging me more now!

Try not to let it bug you, at first points bugged me. I found the movie forum earlier http://www.prometheus-movie.com/ answered everything, besides that strange scene. I think this one scene is as Ridley Scott mentioned something an extended version will fix ala Blade Runner (at least I hope, if not that scene makes no sense at all, maybe they ran out of budget/time!?).

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As you said when you described it makes it sound even worse than I remember. Weyland was not a problem to me, although Theron being an android would have been better

[Dogg Thang]

Thanks for the link, JU. It introduced me to a new term: RELINDELOFTARDED. Seems quite a few people weren't all that happy with it!

Well, not to worry. It's done now. It's just a shame because so many elements were right, it looked lovely and had tons of potential but I guess a movie is just a movie. It did have some cool stuff in it.

[JU!]

Thanks for the link, JU. It introduced me to a new term: RELINDELOFTARDED. Seems quite a few people weren't all that happy with it!

Well, not to worry. It's done now. It's just a shame because so many elements were right, it looked lovely and had tons of potential but I guess a movie is just a movie. It did have some cool stuff in it.

No probs, hope you get answers there for most stuff. A few things I would say besides that scene that people on that forum mentioned that are not noticeable 1st watch or may or may not be happening.

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The worms (turn into Cobra Huggers), and Fiefield plus Charlie get angry when they touch the black goo, which makes things evil/angry.

The murial on the wall, looks like an Alien (Geiger art=Queen Alien).

David has weyland on his finger print. (Seen in Goo scene in the lab)

The moving murials change from what happened to the Engineers to mean what happens to humans after they mess with life.

David tells the Engineer in his own language we want to be immortal (no one knows what he said just someone's guess) this is what made the Engineer angry. Or he says the humans created him and this is what made "cuddles the Engineer go bat ****".

The Engineers are running from the Goo in the bluish videos.

The Engineer at the start Sacrifices because he is rogue, but is also creating life on earth. The others want to destroy humans. In case they become of the same intelligence level and become a threat.

The Xenomorph that burst from the Engineers is a cousin of sorts and does not need an egg or is a Queen. Finally the squid thing is actually a giant version 1 Face Hugger.

Lastly thought this was interesting although it is just a movie at the end of the day so nothing's perfect. This person asks interesting questions some answered above some not. Some may be loop holes, prequel answers script errors or Lost series questions with no answers make your own ideas up.

Massive Spoilers below in the forum link, so don't read if you have not seen Prometheus

This person asks interesting questions some answered above some not. Some may be loop holes, prequel answers script errors or Lost series: Questions with no answers, make your own ideas up.

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/6466