The Banter Thread / Banter Topic / Sean Bean

[J0e Musashi]

Do you have to wear a helmet on the minibus Shane? Is it a yellow minibus?

[Nijo]

I see people running in the morning at 6AM in the rain, I mean, how do people do it, I know its nice to have a trim bod and all, and I'm not fat by any means, just a little .. uh.. wobbly, do they REALLY need to do it in the rain at 6AM? Sometimes I feel like shouting "WHERE DO YOU GOOOOO?" angrily like my mate did at old people in their cars at 11:30PM.

Nice rant. Have a cream tea and a little sit down.

Now tell me why you're out at 6am. You don't even like your job, why do you get up at such a ridiculous time? See those people out running at 6am? Ok they're a bit mad, but they're doing something they like. If they decide not to they can sleep in until 7 or 8am. Who's the mad one now?

[SuperDanX]

Quote of the year from Kernow, imo, then again im mad myself, yeah, im mad me, what a funster etc

[Big Seany]

Kern's rant and description of how it went down was a bit like the classic bus stop scene in My Neighbour Totoro only with added bottled up, uncontrollable rage at modern society. Awesome.

[J0e Musashi]

Lol, Shane won't take kindly to you praising him. Infact he's probably slagging you all off right now.

[kernow]

... haha

[gunrock]

I said well its just for security reasons blah blah, and he goes "Well I work in computing and I know that whether your password is 1 or 101 digits, it'll take the same time for someone to hack it" and I just laughed him off like "oh right.... yeh!? "

Some people!

Well, actually that depends. If someone is trying to dictionary hack i.e trying lots of lots of words/phrases from a file, then a longer, non-repeating password will slow them down.

But what he may have meant is that many password systems create a "hash" of the password (which is a number) and then check the number against the number stored in the database for that user. As the hash is unique (in theory, the hashing algorithm guarantees this, but it's possibly, statistically not true in all cases) it means system never has to store the user's password in it's database, just the hash, so nobody could ever hack the db and find out the user's password.

In some systems (I'm thinking old Novell networks), intercepting the password between the users system and the password protected system is not possible because the actual password isn't transmitted, just the hash. As the hashing process is a one way algorithm, if you capture the hash, you are no nearer obtaining the password.

However, in these cases because the password is reduced to a number, it doesn't matter how long the password is, thus hacking a 101 character password and a 1 character password is actually the same effort.

[Rossco]

Amazing dude. I stand corrected. The guy was a dick about it though so the rant had to be done.

And like you say its not always the case. But still cool to know none the less!

[Shotski]

I just woke up with a massive nose bleed out of both nostrils my bed sheets are ruined, and to top it all off i only got 2 hours sleep, i think im going to watch season 2 of spaced.

[Briareos]

I just woke up with a massive nose bleed out of both nostrils my bed sheets are ruined, and to top it all off i only got 2 hours sleep, i think im going to watch season 2 of spaced.

Or get checked out?

[djjimbob]

Indeed. Haemorhagging FTL.

[kernow]

lol haemorhagging

[VR46]

Always make me smile to see someone whose spelling is worse than mine no offence mate

[J0e Musashi]

Well, actually that depends. If someone is trying to dictionary hack i.e trying lots of lots of words/phrases from a file, then a longer, non-repeating password will slow them down.

But what he may have meant is that many password systems create a "hash" of the password (which is a number) and then check the number against the number stored in the database for that user. As the hash is unique (in theory, the hashing algorithm guarantees this, but it's possibly, statistically not true in all cases) it means system never has to store the user's password in it's database, just the hash, so nobody could ever hack the db and find out the user's password.

In some systems (I'm thinking old Novell networks), intercepting the password between the users system and the password protected system is not possible because the actual password isn't transmitted, just the hash. As the hashing process is a one way algorithm, if you capture the hash, you are no nearer obtaining the password.

However, in these cases because the password is reduced to a number, it doesn't matter how long the password is, thus hacking a 101 character password and a 1 character password is actually the same effort.

I've seen you on BBC2 on Sunday mornings!

[MattyD]

Damn-it, so THAT's where all that loot from my latest GTA-addled robbery went!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/6903433.stm

If anyone here gets a similar parcel from me be sure to leave extra-nice feedback, k?