Teacher almost kills pupil during class

[Yakumo]

Fake or not, news of a teacher beating a quite unruly pupil around the head - until almost death, with a weight - is behaviour to be praised.

He gets an award, that man.

The Short, Sharp Shock is best for them all, and that is fact.

I agree. I'm sick to death of the soft hand dealt to complete pricks. The UK is all wrong these days with all that political correctness crap that goes on and on "protect" the populous.

Yakumo

[cutmymilk]

to bangaio and cutmymilk - as a prospective teacher, what do you feel needs to be done in the education system to try and stop things like this? Do you feel current procedures are adequate? And what advise would you give to a new/young teacher?

As Bangio said teaching is the best job in the world. Behaviour-wise, you are talking about a very small percentage that are regarded as dangerous. The 'bullies' as it were are pretty easily dealt with. Pupils like the one in this story who will provoke teachers to breaking point are a rare breed and its persistence and consistency in discipline that pays off.

As for young ppl in work, the rules are so different now. I wasnt even allowed to have long hair even tho it was clean & tidy, & I even suggested that I could tie it back. These days youngsters can go to school/work with their hair all over the place, not wear the correct clothing, & piercings everywhere, which totally messes with the rules that we all have to conform to when we become adults & doesnt set them up for the real world or give any boundaries.

Hmm, not sure about this. We have a uniform procedure, as do most schools. Pupils are allowed to express themselves more these days I agree, but pupils still get suspended for having tramlines in their hair etc.

I'd stay well clear of secondary school. Lunatics, immature cocky little nobheads pollute the system.

As said above, a very minor percentage. Most pupils make the job awesome. If you enjoy teaching and talking to teenagers about stuff (lets face it, most of us here on a videogame board are on their level!) secondary schools are a great place to teach. College may give you an easier time as you don't deal with discipline but you should be alright in that area soon enough anyway.

As far as procedures go - nothing. If your school has a sold behaviour management policy in place and you stick to it most things a cool.

Very true.

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

Hmm, not sure about this. We have a uniform procedure, as do most schools. Pupils are allowed to express themselves more these days I agree, but pupils still get suspended for having tramlines in their hair etc.

Well I've seen tramlines on some pupils down here, so I suppose its different for all schools. As for 'expressing' themselves, what does that include? Crazy hair?, oh no hang on, its what is known as 'styled' isnt it. So its ok that it looks like someone dragged u to school by your hair, or that u look like a ponce with your emo cut that places every hair perfectly. I thought that a tidy haircut is what is expected of school, along with the uniform as its part of it. Its there to set kids up for what is the real world when they leave i.e. there are rules in this world & u have to adhere to some of them.

Fake or not, news of a teacher beating a quite unruly pupil around the head - until almost death, with a weight - is behaviour to be praised.

He gets an award, that man.

The Short, Sharp Shock is best for them all, and that is fact.

I agree. I'm sick to death of the soft hand dealt to complete pricks. The UK is all wrong these days with all that political correctness crap that goes on and on "protect" the populous.

Yakumo

Here here!!

[teenagewasteland]

I'm surprised no-one's posted this here yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV4gwR8QDKg

Note: In no way do I condone 'fatal beatings' or want to take anything away from a very serious story!

[JazzFunk]

^Rowan Atkinson's Ultimate Comedy Nirvana, imho. He might as well have killed himself after composing that sketch.

I hate it how great comedy, great rap, great jazz and great funk die via the route of advanced age, the lure of capitalism, and the subsequent meh-ish mediocrity.

[Adam Stone]

I've worked closely with students for four or so years now, and although there are a handful of students who make the job worthwhile... i have to say this student probably got what he deserved. That doesn't make it right obviously, but it’s certainly defensible.

I've actually worked with students who have almost killed other students, yet they end up tottering back in class the next day. It’s kept on the hush hush and - colleges especially - will do anything possible to keep the numbers up so to gain their necessary funds. I’ve seen lectures fraud student’s signatures and very often even boost grades because of this. Unfortunately its the actual system that's corrupt....

...it's no wonder kids get away with what they do. I used to think it was always the parents to blame, but after working in education I can honestly say it's just as much the teacher's fault. I've worked with dozens and dozens of lecturers and teachers who abuse the system, which only fuels the students ****ty behaviour... I've actually chosen to stop working in education not because of the students, but because i often found i was battling against the system more! It’s all bollocks.

[prinnysquad]

Or alternatively ... an education system obsessed with divisiveness, meaningless and unattainable targets, and crippled by bureaucracy, all while trying to operate within an operational and financial straitjacket, has led to a corrupted workforce.
To say that the behaviour of kids is equally the fault of parents and teachers lays a dangerous amount of blame away from the parents. The ****ty corrupt educational environment created by government policy perhaps facilitates bad behaviour, but the root problems lie with bad parenting, which instills the 'values' that enable kids to thrive under such chaos.

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

I think it lies mostly with the parents. Teachers hands are tied & cant even look at kids these days, so u cant blame teachers for trying to ensure they still have a job at the end of the day.
Same goes for fiddling the system for their own means. Theyre only trying to keep themselves in a job & have no other choice.

[Adam Stone]

What i've seen happen quite often is that perfectly good, well-behaved students who are always on time, always keen and hard working, always doing their homeworks and whatnot are completely overlooked by teachers who instead concentrate on the troubling students. It's absolutely maddening how many times i've seen these 'good' students not even have their names recognized, whereas the students always causing trouble receive all the attention they could possibly want. It's no wonder perfectly good students end up thinking f*ck it and start playing up...

Obviously this isn't always the case, but it happens a lot - quite worryingly so. It's so easy to cast blame at parents, and god knows i've had to deal with dozens and dozens of parents who couldn't give a rat's arse about their child's behaviour... But it's not always the case. On paper, there is often a pretty solid set of sanctions in place, and it's not true saying teacher's can't discipline students. That's a load of bollocks... What is the problem is that a lot of teachers aren't trained to handle bad behaviour.... or don't bother. Bad student's do behave well when in the presence of a teacher who rigidly sticks to the sanctions in place.

[prinnysquad]

What i've seen happen quite often is that perfectly good, well-behaved students who are always on time, always keen and hard working, always doing their homeworks and whatnot are completely overlooked by teachers who instead concentrate on the troubling students. It's absolutely maddening how many times i've seen these 'good' students not even have their names recognized, whereas the students always causing trouble receive all the attention they could possibly want. It's no wonder perfectly good students end up thinking f*ck it and start playing up...

Why do these little ****s get priority over the good students? Because 'Every Child Matters.' You're quite right they get far too much attention at the expensive of good kids, but this is due to, like I say, government targets and initiatives designed to drag attention away from rewarding hardworking rule-abiding kids, and focusing it on the dross. If there was a zero tolerance system in place then the good kids would flourish, because teachers could give them the attention they deserve. The bad behaviour focused on at school orignates from bad parenting, and schools have their hands tied as to how to deal with it, especially if the parents dont give a toss, thus the predominant focus being on the crap.

I would say bad parenting and rank bad government policy leads to a demoralising focus on **** kids in schools, rather than teachers having an equally active role in the creation and perpetuation of bad behaviour as parents. Teachers react for better or worse to the ****e conditions created by parents and the system itself.

[prinnysquad]

On paper, there is often a pretty solid set of sanctions in place, and it's not true saying teacher's can't discipline students. That's a load of bollocks... What is the problem is that a lot of teachers aren't trained to handle bad behaviour.... or don't bother. Bad student's do behave well when in the presence of a teacher who rigidly sticks to the sanctions in place.

Last week, we had a 7 year old kid who started to kick and punch kids and teachers. He started to shout choice phrases such as 'I'm going to grab those f*cking sticks and poke the f*cking eyes out of you c*nts' before bodyslamming the front door trying to get out. He had to be held in an effective straitjacket by two members of staff for 40 mins until his mother came to get him. The greatest sanction in place was used against him. A week's exclusion. Mother couldn't give a toss. He's back tomorrow. At his last school he was kicked out for numerous offences of kicking and punching people, and spitting in their face. Numerous parents of other infants came in to complain about the violence and language. If you've got any suggestions for sanctions I'll happily mention them in the staff room in the morning.

[importaku]

Hmm let's see, well he's seven so i'd probably go for a weight in the 2.5kg range to stove the little ****s head in.


Behold the 2009/2010 selection of teaching aids for unruly pupils LOL

[teenagewasteland]

What would you like to see done prinnysquad? Clearly behaviour like that shouldn't be tolerated and he's clearly going to be a repeat offender as it were. If you expel him, he'll just go to another school and do the same I imagine as he clearly has here. Ideas? Cut benefits to parents?! Boot camp?! Just throwing some things in the mix which may or may not work in reality.

[prinnysquad]

Well, this is it. The options are limited. More behavioural centres - which have reduced drastically in number since the inclusion crusade - maybe? With near-1 to 1 supervision. It's clear that the system as it stands doesn't work, and I find the argument that teachers are as much to blame as the parents as missing the crux of the problem.

We've all fell foul of bad teachers who couldn't give a toss, and like Adam I have seen some really disheartening practice in action. There are teachers who have no behavioural management ability for sure, but I think that the situation could be helped immesurably and would be less of a problem if their was a more productive system in place to start with, and bad parenting wasn't so rife.

[Adam Stone]

Sadly what you describe isn't anything i've not had to deal with before... In fact that's quite tame! When i worked at a particular College i was supporting students with severe emotional and behavioural issues. All the students in 14+ area were in the college because they've been expelled and chucked out of school for violence and whatnot. They display absolutely no regard to anyone and one student actually killed another student by stamping on his head. Why? He said because he just didn't like him and that the other student 'looked at him funny'. It was all kept on the hush hush but it happened only last year.

There are always going to be students who go beyond the boundaries and unfortunately there isn't a whole lot that can be done. But on a general picture, teacher's who stick to the sanctions in place will, on the most part, earn respect. Obviously there will be those who continue to push the boundaries further and further, but if that happens they should be permanently expelled. If not why are those sanctions there in the first place? Sadly though schools and colleges aren’t often inclined to expel student’s because they need to keep the numbers up to receive certain funding. I’ve even seen lectures faking signatures and boosting grades purely for the records.

As for this student you mention... Do you know if he has Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) or any form of learning difficulties like Dyslexia? I’m not making excuses for the student, but maybe his outbursts are influenced by his frustrations in the classroom? Maybe some additional support, whether learning or behaviour could help?