Has Jon Venables' identity been exposed...?

[Daragon]

Christ on a bike, I've just checked those links - I've been in that pizza hut branch more times than I can care to remember/admit over the past few years for my lunch, I could very well have been served by him on several occasions .

I should bloody hope he's not working there now, Warrington isn't the safest of towns at the best of times!

[Dogg Thang]

A 10 year old knows what they are doing

I disagree with this. 10 year old kids are idiots. They haven't a clue what they're doing half the time and can get caught up in all sorts of stuff. Usually, it's hilarious because they're idiots. This time, however, it resulted in something hideous. And, yeah, they may have been 'broken'. You could well be right. But they were still kids and, so, idiots. This is why we don't let 10 year olds vote and a whole bunch of other things.

That said...

The combination of media outcry and distortion have turned the public against the people that try to keep them safe because the scum "have rights too." The world is full of people who sit around pontificating about this stuff and don't appreciate the harsh reality of what goes on out there and the real results of these crimes on innocent people.

I DO completely agree with this. What is horrifying at times is how people side with the perpetrator without even realising it. Like in that recent NY Times story about the gang rape of a child in a small town. Here's the actual story from the NY Times - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us...ault.html?_r=1

In a story about the rape of an 11 year old girl, they say it 'shook the town', they humanise the perpetrators by telling us about what they do in school without ever humanising the victim, they ask 'how their young men could be drawn into such an act' like it was an outside force or the victim herself's fault, they say the boys will have to live with it the rest of their lives, wonder where her mother was, say she dressed older than her age and hung out with teenage boys. Completely blaming an eleven year old kid for her rape while siding with 18 men who raped her.

Bizarre. Almost like it's approving of some rape culture.

So, yeah, I agree with your point about people getting caught up with the perpetrators and forgetting about the crime and the victim.

[vanpeebles]

I feel for the mother who has had her face repeatedly rubbed in it time and time again. Just another episode in this **** hole of a pathetic country.

At 10 year old you know the difference between right and wrong, kids get away with far too much these days often supported by their parents.

[Plough Boy]

Only scary if you don't have faith in your society and its ability to recondition and heal those individuals.

I have no faith in the system.

True story:
While I was living at university a little boy called Wesley Nealey got murdered in the West End of Newcastle by an 18 year old student called Dominic McKilligan. This happened in the house next door to me.
McKilligan groomed Nealey over several weeks by getting him to help him mend his car in the back road behind our houses. One day he dragged him into the garage, sexually assaulted him, murdered him and dumped him in the Northumberland countryside.
In the trial it was discovered that McKilligan had commited sexual offences on young children in his home town of Bournemouth (if I remember correctly) which he had been charged for and been in Young Offenders for.
He came up to Newcastle College who placed him in a house with 2 lads and 2 lasses who had no idea who he was or what he had done previously. One of the 2 girls had a severe mental breakdown having discovered the truth of who she was living with and what he had done.

The system doesn't work. I have no sympathy. I don't agree with lynch mobbings but have no problem with people like this being identified.

[abigsmurf]

10 year olds know the difference between right and wrong. However they don't know the difference between wrong and seriously messed up, they lack the maturity to appriciate the gravity of what they were doing.

Fun fact: if venables had done this 6 months earlier he wouldn't have even been arrested because the law recognises there's no way he would know the full implications of what he did. Heck if he'd done it in Scotland he wouldn't have been arrested.

[monel]

I disagree with this. 10 year old kids are idiots. They haven't a clue what they're doing half the time and can get caught up in all sorts of stuff. Usually, it's hilarious because they're idiots. This time, however, it resulted in something hideous. And, yeah, they may have been 'broken'. You could well be right. But they were still kids and, so, idiots. This is why we don't let 10 year olds vote and a whole bunch of other things.

That said...



I DO completely agree with this. What is horrifying at times is how people side with the perpetrator without even realising it. Like in that recent NY Times story about the gang rape of a child in a small town. Here's the actual story from the NY Times - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us...ault.html?_r=1

In a story about the rape of an 11 year old girl, they say it 'shook the town', they humanise the perpetrators by telling us about what they do in school without ever humanising the victim, they ask 'how their young men could be drawn into such an act' like it was an outside force or the victim herself's fault, they say the boys will have to live with it the rest of their lives, wonder where her mother was, say she dressed older than her age and hung out with teenage boys. Completely blaming an eleven year old kid for her rape while siding with 18 men who raped her.

Bizarre. Almost like it's approving of some rape culture.

So, yeah, I agree with your point about people getting caught up with the perpetrators and forgetting about the crime and the victim.

That story in the link is terribly reported, and it's the NYTimes??? I can't believe how being raped by 18 young men is the girl's fault, it's always 'tight knit' communities who defend the ones in the wrong because they were 'one (or more) of 'their own''.

Terrible.

Another thing, I hate mob justice also because the media is dodgy as hell and there's usually a high chance the wrong person will get attacked or even their families.

Justice as a whole in this country is a joke, there's certain things which if you are accused of (and later cleared of), you may as well have been branded because society will have judged you forever.

Because nobody sees that three line retraction in the back of the tabloids who marked you for life.

[MartyG]

I have no faith in the system.

The thing with "the system" is we get a very skewed view from the media. If you believed the stories in the paper you'd think that all the perps are getting off free all the time and the innocent are being hounded into suicidal tendencies. We really only get to hear about the obstuse cases.

It's not as bad as the media makes out, I'd also be fairly certain that prison is not a nice place to be, despite being told in the media that they're holiday camps. I know there are peeps that have experienced it on this board tho and I'm sure they can let us know what it's really like.

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

I am all for his identity being spread across the net. If the man is in danger, hopefully he will be returned to prison for his own safety more than anything else.

Well lets hope that they do b4 he gets lynched or killed in the meantime

I don't think we can expect - let alone demand - that these peoples fascination over such subjects will ever disappear, no matter what sort of/the amount of rehabilitation.

When I said rehabilitated I didnt expect all fascination with those matters be completely blanked like some kind of harddrive. However, they need to get to the deep root of the problem as to why he thinks in that way & why he has these urges & work from there to help him come to terms with his past & learn from his mistakes. There was obviously some kind of problem with his rehabilitation as he was able to view child pornography while he was in prison.

What I instead think we should aim for is to give these people control over their urges, and the sense of right and wrong. If a man want to think about children while jerking off, that should be his business. It might not be natural or "normal" to have such urges, but the same can be said of many of our desires (anal sex, gay sex etc). As long as no harm is done, I don't see a problem. On the other hand, I quite sympathize with innocent peadophiles. To have such strong urges, while the entire society around you offers no understanding of your thoughts must be traumatizing in itself.

I hope you're not comparing peadophiles urges to homosexuals. What 2 constenting adults get up to is, yes, their own business. However, a lot of paedophiles have been molested as children & had no say in the matter. They then see what they are doing as normal due to the f**ked up person or persons who molested them. The seed was planted at a young age.

But the thinking about sex is never enough tho is it, & eventually they turn to pornography where innocent youngsters are abused for other ppls entertainment, or worse. And thus the circle continues.

[averybluemonkey]

The thing with "the system" is we get a very skewed view from the media. If you believed the stories in the paper you'd think that all the perps are getting off free all the time and the innocent are being hounded into suicidal tendencies. We really only get to hear about the obstuse cases.

It's not as bad as the media makes out, I'd also be fairly certain that prison is not a nice place to be, despite being told in the media that they're holiday camps. I know there are peeps that have experienced it on this board tho and I'm sure they can let us know what it's really like.

Actually according to police I've known and a person who worked in one of the civilian serious crime bureaus its worse, but what do they know.

[MartyG]

If that's the case then as our media love to exagerate.

[NemesiS]

I'm all for rehabilitation where neccessary but i do feel that some individuals are beyond help. A burglar could be rehabilitated, a grieving parent who kills in anger could be rehabilitated but some people are downright evil from the word go and are beyond redemption.

I remember being a kid at junior school and i don't ever recall killing animals or wanting to experiment by torturing kids which is how Venables started. I wanted to build dens and climb trees and ride my bike in the park and play with my Evil kneivil. I knew then what caused pain and what didn't, and whilst i agree to a point that kids don't know the difference between wrong and messed up they certainly know the difference between right and wrong.

As someone pointed out, his background obviously didn't help as he came from a less than desirable background with parents who didn't give a damn about him. That is a major contributing factor in my book as he had no one to keep him on the straight and narrow, but i simply cannot accept that any ten year old would do what they did to another child because they didn't realise it wasn't a game. Even a child at 10 and on the cusp of high school and their teens should have the common sense to know what they were doing wasn't just wrong, it was abhorrent . Jamies screams alone should have registered that!!!!

The system though is wrong in more ways than i can think to write about. Giving these kind of murderers anonymity with a new life and 24/7 protection is ludicrous in nthe extreme in my book, especially as i am paying for it. Crimes of this magnitude should carry a lifetime behind bars with no possible chance of release, kids or not. Venables has proved the point that rehab doesn't work for this kind of individual. Once evil always evil.

Daragon makes a good point. If these "rehabilitated" sicko's are back in the community, don't we deserve to know? How would you react if you found out your daughters boyfriend was Jon Venables!!?

I'd also tighten up on rapists and paedophiles who seem to be given sentences that are less than most misdemeanor crimes.

[toythatkills]

Daragon makes a good point. If these "rehabilitated" sicko's are back in the community, don't we deserve to know? How would you react if you found out your daughters boyfriend was Jon Venables!!?

People would deserve to know if they were mature enough to handle it, but they're not. What do you expect people to do? As soon as people find out who Venables (or Thompson) is, they're going to kill them, or torture and kill them. People can't be trusted to know who they are.

If you think that they deserve it, then whatever, there's little hope.

Where's Thompson in all this? He's living his life quietly, not getting in to any trouble, and putting the past behind him and trying to just go through life. In your ideal world he's lying dead somewhere.

I'd also tighten up on rapists and paedophiles who seem to be given sentences that are less than most misdemeanor crimes.

Can you provide examples of this or are you just spouting **** you read in a red-top once?

[endo]

Giving these kind of murderers anonymity with a new life and 24/7 protection is ludicrous in nthe extreme in my book, especially as i am paying for it

I know, taxation's a bugger isn't it? Since we're all essentially paying for prisons too, I reckon we should get a say in how they're run. In fact, why don't we just line up all the prisoners, shoot the lot of them and have done with it? Wars too. I effectively paid for all those fancy tanks and helicopters, I want a go. Looks like a hoot!

Eeh, it's enough to make your blood boil!!!!!!1!

[MartyG]

Venables has proved the point that rehab doesn't work for this kind of individual. Once evil always evil.

It's seems to have worked for Robert Thompson, either that or he's good at keeping his head down.

[NemesiS]

People would deserve to know if they were mature enough to handle it, but they're not. What do you expect people to do? As soon as people find out who Venables (or Thompson) is, they're going to kill them, or torture and kill them. People can't be trusted to know who they are.

So in your sunny world, somewhere down the line, your little girl brings home a bloke who you then find out is formerly convicted murderer who has been "rehabilitated". I'm certain you'd welcome him into the family fold with open arms because the justice system has prevailed and there's nothing wrong with him now..lol. Don't make me laugh

And don't be dissing the United shirt i wear when i read as it's the only red top i have

Fortunately i don't read those rags.

I know, taxation's a bugger isn't it? Since we're all essentially paying for prisons too, I reckon we should get a say in how they're run. In fact, why don't we just line up all the prisoners, shoot the lot of them and have done with it? Wars too. I effectively paid for all those fancy tanks and helicopters, I want a go. Looks like a hoot!

Eeh, it's enough to make your blood boil!!!!!!1!

Another intelligent response.

I reckon Thompson must be crapping bricks with the fallout from this........