London Riots

[Dogg Thang]

You mean the people that steal billions but also pay huge amounts in tax to give to these people for staying in bed all day?

Varies from case to case of course but, sometimes, the socio-economic cost of the former is far greater than what comes from the latter. It's not all about what goes in as tax.

[SH4R4KU]

How many millions has the people of lesser "socio-economic cost" cost the country, i.e. tax payers (yet again)?

Yes, it is not all what goes in as tax, but I would rather live with fewer of the latter type of people in the country.

[Brad]

If they wanted to make a statement then a march through the city, causing disruption - but not permanent damage - to businesses and not stealing things would be the way to go. You could do that every single day until someone listened. No one need get arrested. As it stands the vast majority of people in a position to actually do something about the difficulties faced but the young unemployed (fill in other categories of problem here) view the riots and looting at the start of the week as nothing more than criminality and, IMO, have no reason to see it as a catalyst to take any action beyond catching and punishing those involved. So, if it was a protest then it was a total failure.

[Flabio]

'Going Equipped' is shorthand for 'wearing gear to hide you identity, carrying a big rucksack and a baseball bat'.

In other words, you were clearly there to do some lootin, but they don't have you on camera actually doing it.

[Team Andromeda]

Finding someone to blame other than the people commiting these acts just makes it worse. These are not people who have been credit crunched, they're youths who probably haven't ever held down a solid full time job for any length of time. They are not reacting to oppression, they are not making a political point of any kind, they're just out too loot and stir things up for ****s and giggles.

The MPs didn't blame anyone but themselves and neither did the judges who jailed them. It's about time we stopped treating criminals as victims.

The best Post I have read in quite some time

[Dogg Thang]

If they wanted to make a statement then a march through the city, causing disruption - but not permanent damage - to businesses and not stealing things would be the way to go. You could do that every single day until someone listened. No one need get arrested. As it stands the vast majority of people in a position to actually do something about the difficulties faced but the young unemployed (fill in other categories of problem here) view the riots and looting at the start of the week as nothing more than criminality and, IMO, have no reason to see it as a catalyst to take any action beyond catching and punishing those involved. So, if it was a protest then it was a total failure.

I think very few probably thought they were protesting. Mostly just seemed to be thugs, scumbags, kids and opportunists. I very much doubt many had any higher purpose going in.

[SH4R4KU]

These posh people on the news ask for a 'reason' then they call it an 'excuse'.. Like duhhh its bait why yungers were lootin. Fun n money

Straight from a horse's mouth.

[Dogg Thang]

Yep, that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

[Tig]

Interesting video filmed last month in Haringey: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/vi...closures-video


"There's going to be riots."


Those kids basically told the newspapers that the riots were about to kick off.

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

Interesting video filmed last month in Haringey: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/vi...closures-video


"There's going to be riots."


Those kids basically told the newspapers that the riots were about to kick off.

So its the governments/police/papers fault for not taking a few youths opinions seriously, therefore also justifying them to riot?

[Adam Stone]

Of course it is! I mean, we have to take everything they say anywhere, all of the time, seriously. Didn't you know? Apparantly tomorrow his dad is going to beat up your dad, you better be prepared.

['Press Start']

So its the governments/police/papers fault for not taking a few youths opinions seriously, therefore also justifying them to riot?

Boredom leads to mischief. I see it everyday in my shop, if we are quite the staff will start doing dumb stuff to keep themselves amused.

My 2 year old will start behaving badly the less stimulated his mind is. Goes for all kids, they do stuff they know is wrong to get reactions from you to get their kicks.

On the topic of these kids being lazy and not wanting to work. Has anyone stopped to ask themselves if the kids parents work? If you have never seen your Mum/Dad work a day in her life due to laziness then are you going to work? These kids are lazy yes, but their parents might be the original benefit claimers. You could see early 90s when things started to get weighted towards free loaders that the kids of these free loaders were going to be twice as bad. [edit] I know some kids are no hopers, I know!![/edit]

Most have single parents. Single parents can be up to ?100 better off a week then a married couple, so the tax system almost forces a single parent situation. Having a kid was encouraged late 90s some of you might remember, get a free house and all that s**t, more kids more money!!!!. Cause and effect, there is no escaping it.

First the National identity (I do not mean race or anything like that) was destroyed, then workers unions were destroyed, then the sense of 'community', then the family. Slowly we are being dismantled as people's' until it boils down to 'well as long as I am okay then f**k em!'

Pythagoras had a great method dealing with things, he used the triangle to solve most moral issues. Without going too deep:-

-------------------------Where are we heading------------------


---------Where have we been-------------- Where are we now

Hopefully that will make sense to some one, if it doesn't then yeah, just shoot all the looters!!!

[monel]

I had no idea about Pythagoras using the triangle like that, are there any books or website links you can recommend?

['Press Start']

I had no idea about Pythagoras using the triangle like that, are there any books or website links you can recommend?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Teachings-Ages-Manly-Hall/dp/1585422509/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313188828&sr=8-1

Mind expander, it really is. PM me if you want a better description of the book as it holds knowledge from Masons, Egypt, Plato, repeating Jesus story, Greece, Jewish mystery schools, Rosicrucian's, etc etc. It's just a collection of amazing knowledge/perspective.

Does that kind of thing resonate with you?

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

Boredom leads to mischief. I see it everyday in my shop, if we are quite the staff will start doing dumb stuff to keep themselves amused.

My 2 year old will start behaving badly the less stimulated his mind is. Goes for all kids, they do stuff they know is wrong to get reactions from you to get their kicks.

I'm sorry, but I dont think that boredom is a good enough excuse either. If ppl are bored then find things to do. Theres plenty of things you can do for free.

We didnt have what other kids had at the time, but we werent jealous of them nor begrudge them or our parents. We found things to do. Funnilly enough sometimes it involved destoying an already abandoned old car or breaking old windows in an empty building or starting a small fire, making sure 1 of us had a bladder full of pi55 to put it out, but we NEVER thought of torching ppls businesses/flats, rioting, looting or hurting ppl.