Little Things That Irk You 3 1/3: The Final Insult

[Brad]

Little Things That Irk You 3 1/3: The Final Insult

Wow. This quickly got very aggressive.
It's a real problem knowing where to get your news from. Every source I read tells me that without doubt Israel are a bunch of arseholes. None of the news sources I get have even mentioned what's going on in France. Everyone has an opinion about what is going in all the world's conflicts. I doubt many of us have enough knowledge to really form an opinion though.

The lightning and thunder in Florida is pretty impressive at the moment, and it happens every day.

Edit: Managed to find the French story

[darkangel]

Wow. This quickly got very aggressive.
It's a real problem knowing where to get your news from. Every source I read tells me that without doubt Israel are a bunch of arseholes. None of the news sources I get have even mentioned what's going on in France. Everyone has an opinion about what is going in all the world's conflicts. I doubt many of us have enough knowledge to really form an opinion though.

The lightning and thunder in Florida is pretty impressive at the moment, and it happens every day.

Edit: Managed to find the French story

Precisely, the Anti-Israel bias in the media is simply astounding. The Daily Telegraph seems to be the only news paper with balanced perspectives.

These three are good articles:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10983452/Britains-hypocrisy-over-Israel-is-shameful.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10983417/Gaza-conflict-As-a-British-Jew-I-am-now-scared-to-talk-about-Israel-and-Gaza.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10980627/A-bloody-conflict-in-Gaza-but-Israel-is-not-to-blame.html

The Daily Telegraph: (Each quote taken from the above articles)

But make no mistake: Hamas is the aggressor in Gaza, firing rockets indiscriminately at Israeli cities, an intolerable war crime. Hamas has an open policy of encouraging its civilians to be human shields to protect its rocket-launching infrastructure.
The Arab world is “sick and tired” of Hamas. Even the Palestinian representative to the UN Human Rights Council has called every Hamas missile launched at Israel a “crime against humanity".
Israel has every right – and a sovereign responsibility – to take out Hamas’s terror infrastructure. In war, as Britons are well aware, civilians will, tragically, die – even without Hamas’s “civilian casualty maximisation strategy.” That is why there are rules of war, international humanitarian law, which govern hostilities.
Israel abides by these laws meticulously, and its soldiers and civilians are frequently sacrificed to minimise opposition civilian casualties. How does this compare with your levelling of Dresden, by the way?
Arguing that Israel deliberately targets civilians is disingenuous and demonstrably false. Each civilian casualty can only harm Israel – morally, and in the battle for international public opinion. It beggars belief that anybody could argue otherwise – and is even more galling when that criticism emanates from the UK, where the rule of law, fairness and tolerance are held in high regard.

Yet since the start of the latest conflict between Hamas and Israel, protesters marching in anti-Israel demonstrations have regularly held up anti-Semitic slogans, shouting for Jews to be gassed, invoking the Holocaust’s chambers of doom. The situation in Britain hasn’t been much better. Last week’s major pro-Palestine rally, which stopped London’s traffic, was littered with placards comparing Israel’s – and Jews’ – actions to the Nazis (“Well done Israel – Hitler would be proud”, read one such sign, accompanied by a swastika). This casual interchange of “Israel” for “Jews” is not just ignorant but often terrifying, especially when linked to references to past atrocities. Indeed, what other group of people get the worst experience in their – or anyone’s – history launched at them like a hand grenade?

Benjamin Netanyahu’s government was deeply reluctant to invade Gaza – but was left with little option, especially when Hamas rejected an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire. Its missiles are deliberately based in densely populated areas, making civilian casualties inevitable. Hamas wants carnage because that fuels its own propaganda campaign against Israel, as well as drawing the hated Jewish state into the wider Middle Eastern conflict. So far, however, the incursion into Gaza has not ignited trouble in the West Bank, something the jihadists would dearly love to see.

[Brad]

Well yeah, there's another point of view. I wouldn't call either piece balanced. They're both pro Israel. And that's the problem for someone like me. It's just two sides each saying the other is the problem. I doubt I have the time to possibly understand the entirety of the situation, which is a shame as I have no bias. I spent a bit of effort trying to understand the situation in Northern Ireland but even after becoming educated in the situation I didn't suddenly have an epiphany about how to solve everything.

[randombs]

That Paris situation is awful.

It's oh so easy to just point at a group and say "get 'em!" than it is to figure out exactly who to target.

[shaffy_oppa]

Like what Brad said earlier I feel I'm not educated enough to pass judgement.

Being Muslim myself I feel I could come across bias so I just keep my mouth shut and get on with my day. I have family who send me stories and show me videos of all these children being hurt and killed. My sister cried and told me about Israelis capturing a Palestinian child and having other Israeli children beat him and it seemed she was watching a video of it. Stuff like that gets to me, involving children and the innocent is horrible.

I'm not fully aware of what's going on in France but it just sounds like people trying to take it in their own hands and going about it all wrong and being completely blinded by media.

This is people being cruel and hiding behind religions, this is one thing that disgusts me most and its a shame it causes others to make bad judgements.

[shaffy_oppa]

irk made an order on toysrus.com with international shipping all well and good, made another a week ago and it was all good but had to cancel it. Now it won't let me ship the item internationally. Hell it's not even letting me ship the item I already got internationally.

[Lebowski]

I think Israel's problem is story's like this

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/us-palestinians-israel-idUSKBN0FI04420140716

The fact that most Hamas rockets get brought down by the iron curtain meaning little on no casualty's on Israelis side makes things look very one sided. What the world sees is the bloodied and mangled corpses of Palestinian children and civilians. It dosen't help that on the news you see Israelis cheering on missile strikes into Gazza. So what we see is a war heavily unbalanced on one side and this means that in this internet age Israel looks like the aggressor here.

[darkangel]

Suddenly Israel is to blame because they invest in a system to protect their own? Would it be better if more Israelis died? I am sorry, but that simply does not prove that Israel is the aggressor. You say Israelis cheer on strikes, why don't you mention all the many more times Palestinians cheer on and hand out sweets whenever Hamas or other terrorists brutally murder Israelis?

[Brad]

He's commenting on what's being reported. in the UK the reporting is very one sided. Interestingly I'm in the states at the moment and here it's all about how evil hamas are.

[wakka]

Have you been on the Spiderman ride at Universal yet?

My irk is that I'm not in Florida doing a theme park crawl

[Lebowski]

Looks like there's a big difference there, im not laying blame I'm just saying how its been reported. you have to admit the casualties are very heavy on one sided compared to the other. What would happen if Israel stopped firing rockets into Garza, Just used its iron curtain to stop rockets, sit back and let them tire themselves out.

[charlesr]

I think Lebowski is just agreeing with you about the anti-Israel bias in the media. I've never heard of much of the Palestinian bits you mentioned, like the terror tunnels or the sweets.

[darkangel]

Fair enough, cool about the misunderstanding . I don't really want to carry this on. I think this is not something to be resolved in a few posts on a forum. Moving on? My irk, Dead Space 3. Talk about ruining a game franchise!

[charlesr]

I'm glad I stuck to the first one.

[Lebowski]

first one was great it reminded me of resident evil four in space, i remember the demo being atrocious though, it just threw you in half way through the game and proceeded to murder you brutally, nearly put me off it completely, I'm glad it didn't as it was one of my fave 360 games.