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    There's a social shift happening too, in that older millennials and GenX 40+ aren't 'Shifting to the right' as we get older like the previous generation did. And we are beginning to out number Boomers now. The next election will be the first were we out number them (if we all go and vote). Its and interesting time.

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      Whatever happens voting wise, they will just form a coalition to stay in power, the system simply doesn’t work.

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        Originally posted by fishbowlhead View Post
        Whatever happens voting wise, they will just form a coalition to stay in power, the system simply doesn’t work.
        I don't think many parties will form a coalition these days.

        The Lib Dems will never work with the Tories again and I doubt the Tories will work with The DUP again after splashing them with cash and still voting against them.

        I think Labour are too proud for a coalition.

        It's all interesting stuff, I just wish it was in another country!

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          Yep, I think the Tories have played every coalition card they have and every other party now feels like shaking hands with them is akin to when David Palmer shook hands with that woman in 24

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            Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
            Yep, I think the Tories have played every coalition card they have and every other party now feels like shaking hands with them is akin to when David Palmer shook hands with that woman in 24
            its a real poison chalice Look how well the Libdems where doing before they got into bed with the Torys, they had some real momentum and could of turned the UK into a three party system if they stuck to their guns... but instead of sticking to their principles they turned their back on the people that voted for them dropping the policy pledges that got them the most seats they had ever had.

            Where did it get Nick Clegg, he was the Tory fall guy and was blamed for all its problems and it saw him loosing his constituency seat to Labour and being forced to resign, The libdems then voted in some religious nut as their leader and become pretty much irreverent, Everyone likes to blame the Tory's for Brexit But it was a Libdem policy and a Promise to Clegg to have the referendum on Europe. Cameron thought it was a formality and would be defeated, that cost him his leadership he properly underestimated the apathy and stupidity of the Country as a whole.

            I find it bizarre that their was this split in the Tory's on remain and leave and now its like their never was a divided at all and as a Tory your now not aloud to have a stance on Europe that isn't "Brexit is the one and only true path for the UK".

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              Originally posted by Lebowski View Post
              Where did it get Nick Clegg,
              Yep, I voted for him. It killed the vast bulk of my active interest in politics, and now I just vote for the option I consider least-worst.

              Politicians always lie. That's nothing new and anyone who says otherwise is naive. But it's rare a politician signs a document saying they're going to do something, then accepts power with the knowledge they're not going to do that explicit thing. The week the coalition came about I had a Tory boss who joked in the office about how everyone apparently wants a free ride, and it was ridiculous to think the government would ever cut off student loans, while belonging to a generation who went to uni on grant money and never had to have one. Honestly I nearly took a swing.

              The country voted for a hung parliament or minority government with the Tories, and that's what we should've got. Yes, it would've been bad, but it's what the electorate chose. Brexit is a living nightmare but we didn't just not do it because it was demonstrably bad; we went ahead with it.

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                I tried to vote in the locals this morning (polling station is across the road, so had time). I used an accepted form of ID according to the government website, but was turned away – even though the old biddies had a specimen image of the ID in front of them in their official documentation. So I’ll have to go out again after work once I’ve dug my passport out of whatever drawer it’s in at home, and hope there’s not a huge queue as usual. Bastards. Don’t usually like carrying my passport around on me for obvious reasons.

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                  Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View Post
                  I tried to vote in the locals this morning (polling station is across the road, so had time). I used an accepted form of ID according to the government website, but was turned away – even though the old biddies had a specimen image of the ID in front of them in their official documentation. So I’ll have to go out again after work once I’ve dug my passport out of whatever drawer it’s in at home, and hope there’s not a huge queue as usual. Bastards. Don’t usually like carrying my passport around on me for obvious reasons.
                  I'd of kicked up a massive fuss that's massively worrying its not as if these people are actually qualified to spot fake id's or as the case with the above even the right forms of ID.

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                    Yeah I'd have told them to **** off and gone in anyway. Some power hungry jobsworth isn't going to stop my right to vote.

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                      Originally posted by Cassius_Smoke View Post
                      Yeah I'd have told them to **** off and gone in anyway. Some power hungry jobsworth isn't going to stop my right to vote.
                      I was allowed into the polling station, there was no ID requirement to enter – I was blocked from getting my ballot paper from the tellers, because they (wrongly) rejected the ID I had on me. Unfortunately, I had no means to vote then and there unless I resorted physically assaulting the tellers in order grab the required ballot, and like most people I’m rather adverse to criminal violence. Looks like I’ll have to go back after work with my passport and hope the queue isn’t too long…

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                        Originally posted by Lebowski View Post
                        I'd of kicked up a massive fuss that's massively worrying its not as if these people are actually qualified to spot fake id's or as the case with the above even the right forms of ID.
                        There was a sample image of the type of ID I was using directly in front of the teller in her example booklet of accepted IDs, which I pointed out three times, to no avail. Hopeless. This feels more than a bit rigged, really.

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                          Wow. I bet they had no problems with grey old people using their bus passes.

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                            Originally posted by Cassius_Smoke View Post
                            Wow. I bet they had no problems with grey old people using their bus passes.
                            Literally three people in front of me were using the blue bus passes as their ID, no other questions asked.

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                              CCTV snagged the person turning you away!


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                                Home early for some WFH, passport found in my sock drawer and was accepted, thankfully no queues as it's not past 5:30pm. Voted against the Tories, obviously.

                                Tactical voting website, if this helps anyone: https://stopthetories.vote/
                                Last edited by Protocol Penguin; 04-05-2023, 14:43.

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