UK XI: Please Sir... May I Have Some More?

[Nu-Eclipse]

Please don't just blame the Tories, the entire political system has been dismantling and selling off to their crony pals anything of need or use to the public since the 60's. Power, infrastructure, water, transport, and next the NHS (which has already begun), everything that's a necessity and the public NEEDS.

This isn't a 1 party issue, this is a political issue of the highest order in this country, every one of them is to blame, ALL OF THEM.

First off, I quite clearly said the last fourteen years.

Secondly, that argument is wholly redundant when the current Government have often doubled/tripled down on anything bad that Labour did under Tony Blair and I'm saying that as somebody who has consistently called for PR to replace FPTP voting in General Elections. Public Services and inequality weren't like this under the last Labour Government, they just weren't. Playing the whataboutery game conveniently allows the narrative to be reframed in a way that absolves the Tories.

It obviously isn't a one-party issue but the destruction of our public services and the gross inequality that is now leading to living standards falling to the point of the next generation being worse off than their parents is down to this Government and that's a fact.

Nobody would be playing whataboutery if this was the end result of fourteen years of Labour or the Lib-Dems in power. They would be made to own the mess so let's stop trying to avoid placing the blame where it rightfully lies.

[Protocol Penguin]

NMW is only an appropriate amount of money if the market reflects that it. There's a ton of other factors but NMW only ever set a baseline to prevent exploitative employers, it doesn't drive workers and families out of poverty or destitution which is why there are European countries without it that have a higher standard of living.

Yeah, the ones like the Nordic countries which still have relatively strong trade unions, which are long-extinct over here. You Libertarians wouldn’t be happy with returning to mass trade union membership…

[Protocol Penguin]

It’s just getting to the point where its pointless employing people, as the cost and sheer hassle far outweighs any benefit you get out of staff.

And you can blame all that on the government.

Let them eat cake, or rather, let them earn 20p an hour and not eat at all. Pure Toryism.

[fishbowlhead]

Let them eat cake, or rather, let them earn 20p an hour and not eat at all. Pure Toryism.

I'm just giving you another perspective as an Employer, because you guys only see it form 1 side, and its not just the min wage, that isn't the issue really, my guys are all above that anyway, its everything else the Gov is putting on employers that kills the worth of employing people, its just sheer hassle of the highest order, and only getting worse.

[Neon Ignition]

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It's not made clear why he was flying back

[Asura]

One of Britain’s most wanted fugitives arrested at airport after 27 years on run | UK news | The Guardian
It's not made clear why he was flying back

Why is it always Thailand?

I mean, I guess I could figure it out but I kinda don't want to think about it.

[Protocol Penguin]

I'm just giving you another perspective as an Employer, because you guys only see it form 1 side, and its not just the min wage, that isn't the issue really, my guys are all above that anyway, its everything else the Gov is putting on employers that kills the worth of employing people, its just sheer hassle of the highest order, and only getting worse.

Boo hoo hoo, wealthy man doesn’t like paying poverty-level wages to people much poorer than himself. My heart ****ing bleeds.

[Dogg Thang]

Boo hoo hoo, wealthy man doesn’t like paying poverty-level wages to people much poorer than himself. My heart ****ing bleeds.

He literally said that's not an issue for him because his guys are way above minimum wage.

[wakka]

Accusing someone of paying poverty wages is well out of order.

You don't need to be wealthy to employ someone. People who run independent corner shops or takeaways employ people. You would hardly call them wealthy.

[fishbowlhead]

I must of missed something here.

[Yakumo]

I don't own a company but I am involved in hiring people. I know I'm not in the UK and that things are a little different but what the average Joe forgets is that when hiring someone correctly there are more cost to the employer than just the salary. There is insurance for a start. Not just employment insurance but also health insurance in some cases. Then there's all the pissing about with taxes.
I fully understand where fishbowlhead is coming from.

[Anpanman]

Aye, employers have to pay NI and then perhaps a pension scheme as well, and possibly sick pay.

[Yakumo]

Aye, employers have to pay NI and then perhaps a pension scheme as well, and possibly sick pay.

Yes, this is true. Plus pay for National Holidays when no work is actually being done. The amount of additional costs is quite high in some cases.

[fishbowlhead]

Aye, employers have to pay NI and then perhaps a pension scheme as well, and possibly sick pay.

And employers tax.

[Neon Ignition]

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