Liverpool 2010/11 Season Thread

[BeyondJumpFish]

i have to say, i wasn't 100% sure that they where going to score. The poor long balls and long range shots didn't help.

[On The Edge of Insanity]

What? Kuyt played really well - most of the game required him tracking back or hanging wide which he did very well. Depsite that, he still popped up in the right place at the right time to score his goal.

He gave the ball away a lot, his touch is atrocious at times, he is slow and his shot for the goal was going straight at Julio Cesar until it took that deflection.

About the only good thing he did was put some effort in, but for a ?10m+ striker surely you want more than that.

If Benitez hadn't wasted money on some mediocre signings over the last couple of years then Liverpool could easily have afforded a top quality striker to play alongside Torres and would be a lot better off than they are at the moment.

[Kongster]

I reckon they would have done better in the League if Benetiz had picked a settled side and not rotated so much - the players don't know who they'll be playing with from one game to the next lol.

[rmoxon]

Anyone who thinks Gerrard is **** knows nothing about football. It's just one of those opinions that you flail about to get a reaction.

No its just one of those opinions I belive, I'm not really sure why my opinion of one player constitutes that I have no knowledge of football....

Also whoever said kuyt is usless, I disagree, he works really hard for liverpool and has actualy been playting well on the wing recently I feel, hes provided some good support to whoever would be playing up front in the centre on his own. People seem to be judging him by his lack of goals and not the fact that everything else about his game is pretty good.

[Jusatsushi]

No its just one of those opinions I belive, I'm not really sure why my opinion of one player constitutes that I have no knowledge of football....

Also whoever said kuyt is usless, I disagree, he works really hard for liverpool and has actualy been playting well on the wing recently I feel, hes provided some good support to whoever would be playing up front in the centre on his own. People seem to be judging him by his lack of goals and not the fact that everything else about his game is pretty good.

LOL yeah because Gerrard is lazy as f**k. You should seriously consider ducking out of this thread before you just further embarras yourself matey...

[hudson]

The amount of mancs piping up in here talkin' bitter turdness I find most chuckle worthy. Nitpicking stuff...only talking about faults... How many games did the mancs win due to "never giving up in the dying moments"? A wins a win you'd say. Tis correct too. I believe we played well against a tradionally good defending Italian side, defending even more being down a player.

There are the odd few manc fans I respect on here, of course... you knows who yous are Cheers.

[ezee ryder]

I knew you thought I talk turdness!

[hudson]

Respect

[rmoxon]

LOL yeah because Gerrard is lazy as f**k. You should seriously consider ducking out of this thread before you just further embarras yourself matey...

umm, no...... and yeah thats the best reply yet... Look he dosent perform good enough for me, but thats just my opinion, if you arent gonna argue for why he does perform well can we just move on?... you know, before YOU embaresse yourself please.

and I dont think hes lazy, he charges about without a thought, too much energy if anything becuase he still never sees the ball much, thats one of my biggest complaints about him really.

[Jusatsushi]

umm, no...... and yeah thats the best reply yet... Look he dosent perform good enough for me, but thats just my opinion, if you arent gonna argue for why he does perform well can we just move on?... you know, before YOU embaresse yourself please.

and I dont think hes lazy, he charges about without a thought, too much energy if anything becuase he still never sees the ball much, thats one of my biggest complaints about him really.

You're just digging the hole deeper and deeper here aren't you! You indirectly contradict yourself for a start by excusing Kuyt's lack of end product with his unarguably strong work ethic, yet you are critical of Gerrard for having too much of a work ethic despite having a fantastic assist and goalscoring record and despite being a player renowned for driving the team and scoring important goals???

Gerrard is a complete midfielder who is just as important in defense as attack, who rarely loses possession, who is creative, has great long and short passing, can drive past defenders with pace or skill and can finish and most importantly a huge amount of passion and will to win. Any fault with Liverpool's current performance is certainly not attributable to Steve, so duck out son eh?

[rmoxon]

You're just digging the hole deeper and deeper here aren't you! You indirectly contradict yourself for a start by excusing Kuyt's lack of end product with his unarguably strong work ethic, yet you are critical of Gerrard for having too much of a work ethic despite having a fantastic assist and goalscoring record and despite being a player renowned for driving the team and scoring important goals???

Gerrard is a complete midfielder who is just as important in defense as attack, who rarely loses possession, who is creative, has great long and short passing, can drive past defenders with pace or skill and can finish and most importantly a huge amount of passion and will to win. Any fault with Liverpool's current performance is certainly not attributable to Steve, so duck out son eh?

Gerrard constantly loses possesion due to his lunatic runs, he over hits passes becuase he seems to hit them like hes having a shot and to be honest looks biwildered in general most of the time and hasnt driven the team to anything for a while. I do realise that liverpool fans hold him in such high regaurd though.... thats no doubt becuase he did use to be a decent player for you.

Kuyt on the other hand is a decent player for you right now... thats where the difference lies really. So no, I didnt contradict myself, sorry... no hole dug here... not by me anyway.

[saif]

Gerrard often loses possesion, yes. But not through "lunatic runs". He loses it from hurried passes and trying to create too often. But he does the killer pass and killer hot with such regularity that he is easily forgiven. Maybe he is frustrating when he plays poorly but he often does something even when he is off. Look at his England performances over the last few years. ****e. Yet he still managed to be at the heart of a lot of goals, scored a few in the world cup and saved their skins in a few games. Whilst playing poorly.
Fact of the matter is, when it comes to big games for for his club, he has delivered more so than any other player in the premiership. Henry had a big game bottler tag for a reason. Rooney and Ronaldo have performed well below par in Europe (how long without goals?) and in games against the top teams in the premier for a few years. Gerrard has scored in all the major finals that he could have (midfielder too) and won all medals he could have bar the premier. And he has been far from a passenger in any of those runs.

But that is not gonna change your mind as all of that info is clearly in the public domain and it obviously matters not what he does as your mind is made up.

[rmoxon]

Gerrard often loses possesion, yes. But not through "lunatic runs". He loses it from hurried passes and trying to create too often. But he does the killer pass and killer hot with such regularity that he is easily forgiven. Maybe he is frustrating when he plays poorly but he often does something even when he is off. Look at his England performances over the last few years. ****e. Yet he still managed to be at the heart of a lot of goals, scored a few in the world cup and saved their skins in a few games. Whilst playing poorly.
Fact of the matter is, when it comes to big games for for his club, he has delivered more so than any other player in the premiership. Henry had a big game bottler tag for a reason. Rooney and Ronaldo have performed well below par in Europe (how long without goals?) and in games against the top teams in the premier for a few years. Gerrard has scored in all the major finals that he could have (midfielder too) and won all medals he could have bar the premier. And he has been far from a passenger in any of those runs.

But that is not gonna change your mind as all of that info is clearly in the public domain and it obviously matters not what he does as your mind is made up.

Well yeah, Seeing as all you said basicaly is that he does a killer pass or shot once every 10 games and dosent do much else, i'm glad you agree with me.

Being a man u fan I'm not gonna comment on Ronaldo and Rooney's consitenancy in fear of comments saying i'm bias (even though I don't think I am, and if you had the facts in front of you, then you would actualy see you are wrong in what you said about them in certain aspects) but I DO feel that a very large proportion of other Premier league players are alot more consistant and actualy provide more for their team on a game to game basis than Gerrard does for liverpool.

[saif]

Go for it mate. i don't care if you are biased or not (though you obviously are if you thought i was agreeing with you - i said with "such regularity". Once every ten games with the strike rate Gerrard has is beyond emphasizing for effect I would say) I would expect most fans to be. I personally think he is overrated a little as I prefer the more possessive players BUT then he does some crazy **** and bang. Even that goal yesterday against Inter - as he sized up I thought:
"what is he doing? he hasn't got the pace to take that man" [makes enough space]
"don't shoot, pointless" [shoots without much power]
"****!"

Go for it, I would love to see the facts in front of me.
Rooney and Ronaldo in Europe. Discuss.[ I think you will find Rooney went about two years without scoring competitively outside of the UK, for instance, including club and country. ]
Rooney and Ronaldo against Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. Discuss.

[ezee ryder]

Damn this debate is still going on. Might as well have my word in eh?!

Gerrard is a very good player (don't think he is world class but that is a different debate), to call him sh*t would be rather disrespectful. Obviously he doesn't amaze every game but hardly any player in the world does! Even world class players like Kaka or Ronaldo don't produce superb performaces every game. What sets these top quality players apart from the rest is that they can make something out of nothing, whether that be a killer pass or a match saving/winning goal. For Liverpool Gerrard produces these moments in big games and for that (and his high work rate) the Liverpool fans love him.

Oh and saif, I agree Rooney and Ronaldo haven't really performed or produced moments in games against Chelsea (strange that) but against Arsenal and Liverpool I think you will find one or the other has done pretty well.