Liverpool 2010/11 Season Thread

[Matt]

Pains me to say it but Liverpool have been excellent this season, if they converted those draws against the lower teams into wins they would be challenging or actually be ahead of us.

But that's just it, isn't it? You can say If They for any team. They didn't. The league is a 38
marathon. If United had held onto leads... if Chelsea had won XX games...

Liverpool are flying right now. But they're scoring goals through all out attack, even the centerbacks are having shots! Thus leaking goals. They've had loads of confidence and belief since United gifted them 4 goals. Made for some remarkable football. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. This season could still go their way. And if not, how will Liverpool handle that, and start next season. Can any team keep up their recent momentum?

[Nu-Eclipse]

You've drawn too many games , more so against Teams that Liverpool should be beating

Granted, we've drawn too many games and that looks like it will now be the ONLY reason that we will fail to win the title this season. But again, please show me where any of that means that we have a defence that is "all over the place" in your words?

I stand by my comment made earlier - you can't possibly know anything about Football if you consistently overlook facts/evidence and spout embarrassing rubbish to the degree that you do. We are clearly making progress under Rafa and now look like we can mount a consistent challenge for the League - something that wasn't possible 5 years ago because our squad/first team was vastly inferior to what it is now.

[Team Andromeda]

Granted, we've drawn too many games and that looks like it will now be the ONLY reason that we will fail to win the title this season. But again, please show me where any of that means that we have a defence that is "all over the place" in your words?

I know you might think, that I'm some secret Man Utd fan, just winding all the Liverpool fans up , I'm not . I really want Liverpool to win the title , for my mates , and just for football in general , I hate Man Utd , and all the London clubs (bar QPR, but that's a different story)

I know its not the same , and well its a whole different league , but you know there's Cardiff fans that been getting ahead of them self's , this is the year and all that , its gets rather boring after a while. The amount of games both Cardiff and the Jacks have drawn this year , if turned into wins , would mean both clubs would be right at the top , but Its wins that count . And imo Man Utd are just better at digging out those hard grinding results , even if its a last min goal , than Liverpool

Now I really can't see Man Utd losing 2 games , and Liverpool winning at theirs
I simply feel , Man Utd have a far better sub's bench , to change games that are not going their way . I don't think Liverpool will ever win the title under Raffa , and I hate the fact that Babel is always on the bench (when he should be starting ) or like Dave Jones Raffa will not change anything until the 70th or 80 minute

[SharkSkin-Man]

Last season , Liverpool finished where , won what ? , oh that's that right they again lost to Man Utd in the league (after leading at one stage) and even lost the Champions league to them .
With out either Torres , or Gerrard in the side , isn't hard to see where the goals come from

Who said Liverpool had won anything last year?

Your point was that Liverpool rely too heavily on Gerrard and Torres to score most of their goals. But the numbers just don't back this up, it's just not true, sorry.

If anything, it shows that relying on a small number of players to score your goals is not a very good indicator of potential league success because last season it is a fact that United relied more heavily than Liverpool on fewer players for goals and still won the league.


I don't care about your opinion that Liverpool wont win much under Rafa, that's perfectly fine and I'm sure 1000's of people agree with you. But you are trying to back that opinion up with things that are not true.

[Team Andromeda]

Your point was that Liverpool rely too heavily on Gerrard and Torres to score most of their goals.

Given that combined they've scored more than the rest of the list combined , I think it backs up what I've said , how many games have Liverpool won when either or both Gerrard and Torres aren't playing ?

I mean by all means , I'll gladly take the flack and piss takes if Liverpool win the title , that be'll a small price to pay , but I can't see it somehow

[Nu-Eclipse]

Given that combined they've scored more than the rest of the list combined , I think it backs up what I've said , how many games have Liverpool won when either or both Gerrard and Torres aren't playing ?

Given that we spent most of the first half of this season top without Torres and Gerrard for consistent and considerable periods, I'd wager quite a few, actually...

[SharkSkin-Man]

Given that combined they've scored more than the rest of the list combined , I think it backs up what I've said , how many games have Liverpool won when either or both Gerrard and Torres aren't playing ?

Exactly the same at Manchester United, sorry, but you're still wrong.
Ronaldo and Tevez scored more league goals between them than every other United player combined.

If I have time later, I'll work out the Gerrard/Torres missing thing.

[ezee ryder]

But that's just it, isn't it? You can say If They for any team. They didn't. The league is a 38
marathon. If United had held onto leads... if Chelsea had won XX games...

Liverpool are flying right now. But they're scoring goals through all out attack, even the centerbacks are having shots! Thus leaking goals. They've had loads of confidence and belief since United gifted them 4 goals. Made for some remarkable football. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. This season could still go their way. And if not, how will Liverpool handle that, and start next season. Can any team keep up their recent momentum?

Oh yeah of course, the if's and but's could apply to most teams in the league but my main point was that Liverpool have been impressive this season.

It is well documented that our lot haven't been playing our free flowing attacking football yet somehow we have still managed to win games and be top. I think that is what Liverpool lack, they don't win games when they don't play particularly well and that is a vital ingredient if a team is going to win the league. Apart from that their football this season has been quite impressive especially attacking wise.

[Matt]

I don't think that's actually right man. Liverpool have dug out some victories when not rocking. The trouble is, they've been on fire the last month, so that's what we're all thinking about. Go back to late last year, they weren't playing great, but still digging out wins. I think there was some discussion in this very thread with the Liverpool fans about it at the time.

Look at United last season - they were flying. This season, they're still top without hitting anything like that form. So we can say Liverpool haven't got the wins from silly draws, and that's why they're not top; we could also say that if United had stuck with Rooney and Tevez, and not got in Berba, then United may be scoring 4 goals a game and trouncing everyone. You could always say that if United not playing great are still top, what does that say about the competition?

Right now, Liverpool are involved in the most entertaining games. They're gung-ho, they had a belief. I don't think any team could hope to keep that up for a whole season, even a few months would be too emotionally draining. It's a shame, I like watching that style of play

I don't think they've been really impressive all season, because if they had, they'd be top. No team has been that impressive throughout this season imo. Liverpool had their downturn around Xmas. United took a while to get going this season, hit some pretty good form, and then lost two in a row and started to look shakey. Arsenal could be massive if they could find consistancy. Chelsea suffered from management (which is the same as last year!).

Don't forget United set a new record for longest defensive streak. At the time, that was amazing. A month later, and that is overlooked because now Liverpool are scoring 4 goals a game.

The thing about the league is it's never about one game. There are 38, and the most consistant team over those games are the champions. During that time, every team will have peaks and troughs, it's only natural. Do Liverpool have it in them to be that consistant through a season? Who knows. Momentum comes and goes. I've always maintained they're a great cup club, and I still doubt their title credentials. Sorry guys, I'm not being rude, so don't get all super-defensive Just my opinion.

If Liverpool did win the league this year, United fans will look at the game were Vidic imploded. They'll look at the silly draws here and there that cost valuable points. The goals against the top teams in the first half and the crumble in the second.

If United win it, Liverpool fans will probably look back to the time they were a million points in front of United and Rafalolafa foolishly got wound up by Fergie That was probably the biggest turning point of the season.

Sorry for the long, rambling, unfocused post

[ezee ryder]

You make some valid points but I still think Liverpool have been pretty good this season and the difference is that we know how to grind out those hard fought victories whereas Liverpool seem to have trouble.

You're definitely right about one thing though, if we do retain the title then the Loofa rant will be looked back as a rather big turning point in the season. Fact.

[hudson]

I don't think Rafa's rant will be blamed at all. I certainly won't. Especially when Fergie plopped and cracked up once we went to OT a did a dirty big poo on the ground

Yeah, he should of kept quiet and hopefully he will in the future as it's just pointless. The players weren't rocked by managers having a go at each other like old women fighting over the last mince pie.

[Matt]

I don't think Rafa's rant will be blamed at all. I certainly won't. Especially when Fergie plopped and cracked up once we went to OT a did a dirty big poo on the ground

Yeah, he should of kept quiet and hopefully he will in the future as it's just pointless. The players weren't rocked by managers having a go at each other like old women fighting over the last mince pie.

Always quality mate I always find your football posts make more sense if, as I read them, I imagine a slurred, drunken voice

Joking mate

[Tetsuo]

You're definitely right about one thing though, if we do retain the title then the Loofa rant will be looked back as a rather big turning point in the season. Fact.

I'm sure it will, but remember this: I don't think there's a single Liverpool player or fan out there that thinks this had anything whatsoever to do with our dip in form, it's just everyone else that enjoys seeing it as a "turning point", for obvious reasons. Sure, I'd rather Rafa hadn't reacted at all to old whiskey nose's baiting, but not because I though it had a negative effect on the team. I'm glad and proud of the man he came out and said what he felt had to be said. 'nuff said, at the end of the day for me.

[hudson]

Always quality mate I always find your football posts make more sense if, as I read them, I imagine a slurred, drunken voice

Joking mate

Haha, I like to keep it real... real silly

[SharkSkin-Man]

how many games have Liverpool won when either or both Gerrard and Torres aren't playing ?

OK, here we go (yes I was bored lol).
It was quite interesting looking through the results though, it's actually even more insignificant than I thought it would be.

Without Torres & Gerrard in the starting 11.
Played - 2
Won - 2 (100&#37
Lost - 0 (0%)
Drawn - 0 (0%)

Without either Torres or Gerrard or both in the starting 11.
Played - 22
Won - 12 (55%)
Lost - 2 (9%)
Drawn - 8 (36%)

And for comparison.
With either Torres or Gerrard or both in the starting 11.
Played - 31
Won - 18 (58%)
Lost - 2 (6%)
Drawn - 11 (36%)