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    i can't see any reason why he still plays kuyt tbh, he was again very poor today

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      He probabaly plays kyut alot for his work rate, which is usualy pretty decent. plus his only other options upfront, besides Torres, are Vorrinin who is pretty terrible all round really and Crouch who he just dosent like to play for no reason what so ever...

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        ****s sake, I could do without the replay.

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          another poor display from liverpool. i think benitez must go at end of season, simply not got the cut of the premiership. he is a very poor rotater. voronin would not get in sides in bottom 3 let alone the teams above us but yet he gets a game for us, some of the signings hes made have been worse than houlliers, his tactics are poor he only wants to make sure we dont concede before attacking, then you only see us attack once were behind, the players look tired like they dont know each other. once we levelled today we were happy to stroke ball along back four, a point is a good result on todays showing but does rafa still think were in title race??? disalousioned and disgruntled once again, watching liverpool at the present is just like watching england under mclaren, poor football, lifeless and no attack in us, rafa please please please go now. we are further away from league than when evans or houllier was in charge

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            Aye. Poopy times

            This boy keeps getting us out the ****.

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              I don't like to see knee-jerk reactions at the best of times, least of all from Liverpool fans with a "sack rafa now!!" attitude. It seems to be catching on.... (though not with me). I mean, would that change the players' ability all of a sudden??

              This year was always going to be a transitionary year with the new players that came in last summer, and we're going through a poor series of results. It stings more when we were being hyped as title contenders, but as we're finding out, we still lack that cutting edge in a few departments and there's still dead wood that needs to be cleared out before the season is over (Kuyt, Voronin). It can't get much worse...

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                It was a very poor performance, but surely you can't blame the manager for what clearly was the players inability to pass and control the ball well. Voronin in particular had a total mare, even Gerrard. We didn't deserve to even draw the game really.

                The manager shouldn't go, it would be a big mistake I'm sure.

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                  Benetez was given a lot of money to put together a side that could challenge for the league and it's clear that either the money wasn't spent well enough or he's not the kind of manager to win the EPL.

                  He rotates when you need to have a strong side at all times. He focuses heavily on cup games at the expense of the league.

                  His, and AC Milan's policy were why the way qualification takes place was shaken up. Having a 'Champions' league final where both teams weren't challenging for their respective league and were able to rest players when their oponants weren't are why there's a more intense qualification system being put in place.

                  Benetez will no doubt continue to win a cup every so often but I don't think he will ever be a threat above Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U for the league.

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                    His squad selection is ridiculous.... actualy i was gonna rant but i guess what i just said says it all really.

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                      Originally posted by rmoxon View Post
                      His squad selection is ridiculous.... actualy i was gonna rant but i guess what i just said says it all really.
                      It doesn't matter so much, basically a lot of the better players are under performing so no matter what tactics the manager puts out how can they possibly be carried out effectively?

                      Yesterday we were playing against Middlesbrough, surely the majority of formations, tactics or players we have at our disposal should have been enough to have at least warranted a solid performance.

                      The way I saw it was, if the players can't PASS the god damn ball to a team mate when it matters, what hope does the manager have..

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                        It is down to under performing players who are just not fit enough to wear the red shirt. His big signings this season aren't to blame. Only that fella from Status Quo who came on a free.

                        I agree about the rotation and player choices too. Yesterday, Crouch should of well played over Voronin.

                        I feel we have some dead/dying wood too. Kuyt. I mean his heart's in the right place, but I honestly don't know if he'll score a goal ever again. We need new wingers I reckon. Pennant, Kewel and even Riise are no longer convincing me.

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                          its just poor . the manager demanding more time and money, well if he wants more time why didnt the players he signed to win us things , ie, bellamy, gonzalez, pelligrino,palleta,crouch. etc etc, i could go on with about 20 players hes bought and then got rid of after a year or less he demands time but he wont give the same "in rafa we trust", in rafas signings only a handful have produced the goods. you look at other sides if players get a chance they tend to play well cos if they dont they dont know when they will be back in side, but no matter how well you play at lfc youll be on bench wek after. this is bad management pure and simple, a lot of good buys granted but a lot of bad buys or buys and then leaves palyers without confidence ie kuyt now crouch, etc, rafa is to blame for bad player man management, look at chelsea arsenal and manure they get a bit of action they take it, whereas if one of ours comes on even if he does impress he knows he might not paly game after anyway?

                          another thought on rafas selection that puzzles the mind is this, we play torres against reading in carling cup but when we play chelsea in 1/4 final he plays a team that never had a chance? why? also rafa says well everyone will be given a chance freshen up the team, well aganst wigan crouch not played over xmas and new year as he was banned did he play no but pennant who has been out for months with broken foot straight back in team?? im confussed to how this fella thinks, and to play one up front against a poor premiership side, i have lost my way with rafa at the helm, lets be honest im grateful infact over the moon with the champions league win, but without that i think rafa would have gone last season, we are further behind the big 3 than ever,rafa 3 weeks agao was saying if we win our 2 games in hand we will be 5 points behind, now hes saying dont look at the table the points dont matter???what is that because were 12 behind? this guy is fooling no one except himsef.


                          and as for that wrestler we bought TRIPLE H(voronin) which other team in epl would he get in? wtf???
                          Last edited by illumanati2; 13-01-2008, 09:37.

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                            Originally posted by illumanati2 View Post

                            and as for that wrestler we bought TRIPLE H(voronin) which other team in epl would he get in? wtf???
                            not even derby would have him imo.

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                              Everyone happy for Sissoko to go?

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                                yeah but only if we keep masch, mi thinkin we have enough in centre mid for him to go, gerrard, lucas, masch and xabi. .

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