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      For sure, maybe even a more boring 0-0. Still, suppose a point over there isn't a bad result.

      Roll on the PL again this weekend for some proper football.

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        We are ****. Ukraine aren't bad, we are just ****. Absolutely no creativity bar Wilshere.

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          Ref hasn't helped either.
          Lie with passion and be forever damned...

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            Embarrassing. Can't string two passes together.
            I'mdone with football. 100k a week some of these players. They should be able to pass a ball

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              I don't think paying them less will make them better players.

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                Rubbish! Who likes international break? Nobody, that's who.

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                  As soon as most of them pull on an England shirt they turn to sh*t.

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                    Originally posted by Kieran76 View Post
                    I don't think paying them less will make them better players.
                    No; but it'll make me feel better. These kernts earn more in a week than I do in 3 years. The 'entertainment' industry, pfft.

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                      Quite sad really, all the home nations are truly terrible now and Rep. seem to be slipping in the same way. We have poisoned our own game and only have ourselfs to blame.

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                        Originally posted by vanpeebles View Post
                        Quite sad really, all the home nations are truly terrible now and Rep. seem to be slipping in the same way. We have poisoned our own game and only have ourselfs to blame.
                        The truth is we've all been poor for years and I don't share the view that's it's all down the premiership and imports . The fact is England/UK haven't won nothing on the World stage or made into a meaningful football final since 1966 .
                        I just can't understand why our players can play the fast frenetic pace of the premiership week in and week out and yet on the world stage are so slow and dull . We can't out play or out pass other countries , so why no try using our league's strength to our advantage and just go all out for it .

                        That said a draw out there is not a bad result at the end of the day

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                          Yeah but knowing us, we'll piss it all up losing one of the home games and have to rely on another teams goal difference to quality.

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                            Originally posted by Team Andromeda View Post
                            The truth is we've all been poor for years and I don't share the view that's it's all down the premiership and imports.
                            I agree. It's an oft sited example but England were terrible in the 70's (Failed to qualify for the Euros / World Cup in 1972, 1974, 1976 and 1978) and aside from the Scots, Welsh and Irish there were virtually no foreigners in the league back then. 1994 too, very small percentage of foreigners in the PL at the time, but the England team failed to qualify for the World Cup.

                            The PL didn't fill up with foreigners and thus lower the standard of the English. The standard of English players was already poor-average and so cheaper and better foreigners were turned to by the club sides. We simply don't coach our kids well enough. If we banned all foreign players tomorrow the England team wouldn't benefit much, we'd simply end up with a larger pool of average players to choose from.

                            If the way we coach young kids doesn't change, then England will remain a team who will be "decent but a couple of notches below the best" no matter what else we do.

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                              Originally posted by EJG1980 View Post
                              I agree. It's an oft sited example but England were terrible in the 70's (Failed to qualify for the Euros / World Cup in 1972, 1974, 1976 and 1978) and aside from the Scots, Welsh and Irish there were virtually no foreigners in the league back then. 1994 too, very small percentage of foreigners in the PL at the time, but the England team failed to qualify for the World Cup.

                              The PL didn't fill up with foreigners and thus lower the standard of the English. The standard of English players was already poor-average and so cheaper and better foreigners were turned to by the club sides. We simply don't coach our kids well enough. If we banned all foreign players tomorrow the England team wouldn't benefit much, we'd simply end up with a larger pool of average players to choose from.

                              If the way we coach young kids doesn't change, then England will remain a team who will be "decent but a couple of notches below the best" no matter what else we do.
                              100% agree . The issues have been there for decades... long before foreigners and the Premership . It all goes back to the way kids are developed and coached, that and the fact that imo we can't play or really complete with the worlds best at playing the continental style of football.

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                                It has nothing to do with imports. The world has caught us up and we have done nothing to improve our game. Japan are a prime example. 20 years ago they formed their league and the players have bloomed as a result. Lots of South American influence and they have developed their game along with the other leading nations. Watch them play, their midfield would tear us a new one. Many other smaller nations have also improved and there are very few easy games in the international game today.

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