Forza 2

[Simmy]

In the real world, you can brake harder if the ABS doesn't kick in. The F1 guys just use it in case they over cook it. They don't rely on it. Not sure if it's the same in Forza because I haven't tried it yet.

Must admit what I'm saying I'm basing on the ability to adjust the ABS to the correct level for the car, something I'm ? presuming ? a game with forza's level of adjustment allows you to do. There's no getting around it though if you slide and skid your way around your going to be slower !

[charlesr]

Don't know why anyone thinks having ABS off is more realistic, there's no way you'd go round a track in real life without it.

No ABS in my friend's racecar. Instead, he has a brake balance adjuster in the footwell, so that if he's locking up, he can change the bias accordingly.

Can't remember needing ABS on the track on my bike either. The only time it's been useful in my car is in snow and in panic moments (someone steps out). On the track, it would be slower if the ABS came on than if you got it right in the first place.

[merf]

but in real life (well nearly anyway) there is an episode of Top Gear where they say that the Stig claims the reason BMW's are so quick round the track (relative to comparable cars obviously) is that they have totally nailed the ABS and its worth a lot of time on a flying lap.

i think there is a world of differnce between real world aids that speed a car up against false computer game enhancements that you couldn't have (like steering assist or on track racing line etc).

[Swallow]

On the track, it would be slower if the ABS came on than if you got it right in the first place.

Fair enough, but that's the trick, isn't it!?

I've not even tried adjusting brake balance or ABS settings, what can be done with these?

[HaHaUK]

I find it much much easier to play with the ABS on, allows me time to slam down the brakes a bit late into the corner without having them lock up. Although I have the other two assists off.

[charlesr]

Stig claims the reason BMW's are so quick round the track (relative to comparable cars obviously) is that they have totally nailed the ABS and its worth a lot of time on a flying lap.

Physics says this can't be true. Unless they've found a way of predicting when the tyres will break friction and avoiding that happening in the first place. But that would involve dark magic stuff.

[Simmy]

Physics says this can't be true. Unless they've found a way of predicting when the tyres will break friction and avoiding that happening in the first place. But that would involve dark magic stuff.

The thing is the computers are now faster than the drivers at spotting and compensating for things like break of traction etc, and therefore aids are becoming more accepted as improving performace than degrading it if you ask me.

Either way all I was saying in my original point was that if it is quicker "in forza" to lap with ABS on then folks should not avoid doing that, just because of some (IMO) out of date philosophy that all aids in driving are bad !

[Marmite]

The main car I'm having trouble with is the Top Secret Supra. It has no grip and infinite power, so TSC might be the only way.

What a horrible car. I did the time trial for this last night and posted a pretty average time. Its so slidey though you can barely touch the accelerator.

I tried some of the time trials with ABS turned on last night and it felt really weird actually. Ive got too used to using no assists now.

[charlesr]

I'm not disputing the fact that a computer can notice the lock and let the brakes off (and on etc) quicker than a person. But what it can't do is remember how hard the pedal was pressed on a previous lap and apply it slightly less to avoid the lock in the first place. Although this is slightly irrelevant really. If having ABS on makes for better lap times in the game, then may as well use it. But you might as well replace the brake pedal with a button.

[Simmy]

If having ABS on makes for better lap times in the game, then may as well use it. But you might as well replace the brake pedal with a button.

Or a trigger

[Swallow]

I think he was suggesting that there should be some sensitivity in how can you brake, even with ABS on. atm, with ABS on, it's either not braking or full on braking, which is just what a button would do.

[Simmy]

I think he was suggesting that there should be some sensitivity in how can you brake, even with ABS on. atm, with ABS on, it's either not braking or full on braking, which is just what a button would do.

That's a shame if it's like that in the game, as in the real world it's moved on from that. Anyhow I'll probs buy the game, and end up with them all off now :P

[Brats]

I'm not disputing the fact that a computer can notice the lock and let the brakes off (and on etc) quicker than a person. But what it can't do is remember how hard the pedal was pressed on a previous lap and apply it slightly less to avoid the lock in the first place. Although this is slightly irrelevant really. If having ABS on makes for better lap times in the game, then may as well use it. But you might as well replace the brake pedal with a button.

I'm not sure I get you.

ABS doesn't come on whenever the breaks are touched, it's only when it detects the wheel rotating at a slower rate than the other wheels.

There are limitations to ABS. It's still easy to spin out a rear wheel drive car because too much of the friction is being applied to slowing the car down than it is to turning. You can't just whack the breaks on full and glide round a corner with ABS. It's only really useful to decrease speed before actually taking the corner.

You still need analogue control with ABS.

[Brats]

I think he was suggesting that there should be some sensitivity in how can you brake, even with ABS on. atm, with ABS on, it's either not braking or full on braking, which is just what a button would do.

No it's not. If you break, the ABS light comes on in the HUD when it is applied. It only comes on if one of the wheels are locking. It doesn't come on regardless.

[charlesr]

You still need analogue control with ABS.

Why? If you haven't got the foot mashed to the floor when ABS kicks in, you don't slow down quickly. (unless you are purely talking about braking mid corner, which means things have gone badly wrong already).

I've just turned on ABS, TSC and stability and tried the Top Secret Supra TT. Beat my fastest time on my first lap and that includes the slow start. It was totally boring though. I'll be leaving them all off in future.