Sega Rally demo (360 & PS3)

[Leon Retro]

You should try visiting some AV forums and start talking HD optical... If you think 60fps is anal you wait until you see what those guys consider important.

Don't suck-up bud. Those guys can talk about that stuff for ever, and I don't care. I won't call them names etc... I don't sit on a high-horse telling people what to talk about, and I have no desires to.

It's easy to avoid peoples posts, not take an interest, and simply "Move on! "

[Leon Retro]

I've often thought you post some complete rubbish, but that really takes the biscuit. You admit you're unlikely to change people's minds and yet you want to keep talking about the point on the basis that:

a) people will come round to your point of view (as you admit - unlikely)
b) devs will actually take notice of this forum and do something about it (completely and utterly unlikely)

In fact, all your talk about FPS does is get more and more people to say that they don't give a toss. If I were a developer, all I'd see would be a forum where the vast majority couldn't really care amongst a tiny percentage who can't stop blathering on about it and come across as obsessive nerds.

TBH the very best thing you could do to help your 60fps cause is to STFU.

Chill out buddy.

I have a little bit of a ramble about framerates now and then, and you get all hostile.


I decided quite a while back to stick mostly to the retro-section. I simply can't stand hostility; especially when some people are acting like I've offended their Mother, when I'm just talking about something so inoffensive.

Well, back to the game. The framerate is ok. It doesn't feel silky, and the movement betrays its lack of 60fps. It's better than DIRT though.

Visuallly it's nice. Not very inspired, or exciting in any way, but at least the dev tried.

Where is the Sega styling and details though? Apart from a few Sega banners, it could be a WRC title. In fact it does look a lot like that series( maybe some of the team worked on that? )

It's a western game trying to be Japanese, but it's not easy to emulate imagination and flair, and this title makes that very apparent.

How can I as a big Sega fan, not wish that the original Sega Rally team had been let loose on the 360. That's how I feel as I play this new version.

It's not terrible in any way. That is the problem. It's always worse to be in a situation where you don't hate or love a game. I simply expect games that I want to commit to, to be something extra special, and this title is far from special.

It's a well-made game, that sadly hasn't been blessed with much flair, and ultimately makes we wonder " Why should I bother with it? "

As a big Sega fan, I was hoping that the company had made a good move with this new studio, even though I've had doubts, but now, it seems that there really isn't reason to celebrate.

Surely, most gamers don't want to spend £35-40, and allocate time to something that isn't brilliant?

For me, reasonable isn't enough.

[SuperBeatBoy]

The demo takes me right back, to the days playing sega rally 1+2 in th arcade aswell as pc. Absolutly lovedthe demo, even though the computer was kicking my arse.

Its great to finally play a new pretty sega rally, ive been getting tired of all the ridge racers and what not. Sega Rally brings the loose and slick arcadey controls and excellent gameplay right back into next gen and im mega happy.

Its taken them nearly 10 years for a proper successor to sega rally 2 and im happy this demo makes up for the one people forgot about on the ps2.

[Hodge]

This thread is getting completely out of hand.

[saturn-gamer]

The rumble is perfectly implemented. If you drive in deeper groves, the rumble gets stronger.

The graphics are good, if not a bit bland. It lacks this flashy oomph that SR2, a true arcade game, has. The music is also bland, its lacking compared to the prequels. Its just not the Arcade presentation we got used to. SR2 arcade had darker music, louder voices, cool car select menu's..

Sega didn't sell its soul to the stupid shiny Sepia style a lot of games use. Thats a plus.

60fps in racegames is a plus btw. The best SR2 experience next to the Arcade was the Japanese DC version on the Desert stage in time attack mode. The JP version was 60fps like the coin-op, but had lots and lots of slowdown, except for the desert stage when being alone on the track.

[mr_fantazmo]

I'm not technical so i can't comment on framerate. All i know is that when i played the demo i really enjoyed it.

I thought the graphics were good, especially the way the track gets turfed up on the way round,little bits of gravel flying up and like someone else said before, the rumble is used to quite good effect when driving over the tire grooves.

I'd definataly give this a chance when it's released.

[Kotatsu Neko]

you don't see people on a film site saying films can only be good if they are mixed in DTS 5:1 surround cos Dolby is rubbish or the aspect ratio must be 2:35-1 as 1.89-1 is crap.

You should try visiting some AV forums and start talking HD optical... If you think 60fps is anal you wait until you see what those guys consider important.

[Brats]

Talking about it keeps the whole 30 vs 60fps debate alive though, and that's important imo.

I've often thought you post some complete rubbish, but that really takes the biscuit. You admit you're unlikely to change people's minds and yet you want to keep talking about the point on the basis that:

a) people will come round to your point of view (as you admit - unlikely)
b) devs will actually take notice of this forum and do something about it (completely and utterly unlikely)

In fact, all your talk about FPS does is get more and more people to say that they don't give a toss. If I were a developer, all I'd see would be a forum where the vast majority couldn't really care amongst a tiny percentage who can't stop blathering on about it and come across as obsessive nerds.

TBH the very best thing you could do to help your 60fps cause is to STFU.

[rmoxon]

Just played this...

Its not like im a massive fan of racing games, I do however think the orginal Sega Rally is one of the best games ever made.

This isnt fun in comparison for me, the handling is far too sensitive, its as bad as some of the Daytona games for the way it plays on a joypad, might be worth it if you have a steering wheel, i dont know as I dont and probabaly wont ever have one, but on a joypad this is really disapointing, even Sega Rally 2 on the DC played alot better than this and thats saying alot.

[saturn-gamer]

Sega Rally is awesome imo. The handling is perfect, as long as you use hood cam anyway.

Its really SR. Powersliding and awesome cornering. I like this game MUCH more than DIRT.

But again, its typical Sega to badly time the release.. not many people will buy this..

[merf]

i'm sorry but this whole framerate chat is drivel.

you don't see people on a film site saying films can only be good if they are mixed in DTS 5:1 surround cos Dolby is rubbish or the aspect ratio must be 2:35-1 as 1.89-1 is crap.

as for talk of educating casual gamers - elitist crap of the worst kind.

casual gamers are voting with their wallets and Wii play has been in the top 20 since xmas. don't recall anybody chatting about FPS on this, its a game and people like it.

sadly i expect this to all rear its head again when PGR4 gets released.

[Malc]

So, to quite a few people it's an important issue that needs to be addressed, whilst some people don't really care much about it at all. I can understand why it bores some people, but that's life, and it's a that doesn't look like it's going to go away any time soon.

We can at least stop the dullness of fps talk on NTSC-uk, and I also don't think dev's could really care about wether their game runs quicker. And it's not as if it will have a big impact on the sales.

I think we should drift away from this fps talk. we keep swerving back into it in this thread.

[Leon Retro]

Can't we get past the frame rate chat? It's the same dullness every time. "30fps = rubbish" "No! 30fps = stable and good enough" "No! 30fps = rubbish" (repeat ad infinitum). If you can't cope with racing games at 30fps then what on earth have you actually been playing over the last 2 years Ah bugger. I'm bound to have offended someone. It was meant as a joke. Thank you Please. I much prefer Forza2 being in 60fps, but I don't care about reading it constantly on the interweb is what I meant.

I personally have little hope of changing the opinion of people who don't mind 30fps.

Talking about it keeps the whole 30 vs 60fps debate alive though, and that's important imo.

If more people start thinking about the issue, and join others in their 60fps stance, devs might actually take notice if forums are awash with 60fps talk.

It would be great if casual gamers started to understand and have an educated opinion on the issue. That would have the biggest impact on developers mindsets.

So, to quite a few people it's an important issue that needs to be addressed, whilst some people don't really care much about it at all. I can understand why it bores some people, but that's life, and it's a that doesn't look like it's going to go away any time soon.

I wish devs would talk about the whole framerate argument, and finally find a way to make solid 60fps games. It's not like a bunch of madmen are demanding 120fps a second ( we are console gamers after all )

[SuperBeatBoy]

I dont know if anyone noticed but eurogamer gave it a 9/10.

[Charlie]

I think it's okay. Technically it's somewhat disappointing but it's reasonably fun to play and compared to Dirt's drab, albeit impressive, graphics, this looks nice and happy; though admittedly that view is in all likelyhood borne out of an infection with UKResistance's relentless "Blue Sky in Games" campaign.