GAMES TM Issue 24

[Darwock]

This forum in general is really, really embarrasing sometimes!

[martTM]

Just because you don't like Burnout doesn't mean it doesn't have a soul (wtf is that supposed to mean anyway? Define "soul" in the context of a racing game).

But don't you get it? Because he clearly understands what he means and you don't, that makes him better than you.

Or it could just be elitist bollocks that doesn't make any sense. You're not Cacophanus in disguise, are you?

The Burnout vs Outrun elitism on this forum is really, really embarassing at times

You said it. Both great games, both worthy of your hard-earned money. As we said in the Games Room 101 last month, the actual score is pretty irrelevant.

Back on topic, some good scores from GamesTM this month. Why wasn't Colin McRae reviewed though?

We only review the games we actually get code for. Simple as that.

[JibberX]

We didn't review it because Codemasters didn't send us code (maybe it was to do with the fact that we gave last years effort a similar score to what this one would have received...)

There's a logic problem with that comment, score, code, orders?

This forum in general is really, really embarrasing sometimes!

At least we are consistent... that's gotta be a plus.

[hankwangford]

Outrun 2 - great arcade skill experience, plauged with flaws
Burnout 3 - great smash em up experience, plagued with flaws

Conclusion - both are different, both are very good, both have annoying flaws.

Why can't we all just get along?

[Strider]

There's a logic problem with that comment, score, code, orders?



At least we are consistent... that's gotta be a plus.

My comments rarely make much sense at the best of times (haven't you read my section) they make even less sense, when I've quickly posted something on a forum. As Mart states, we can't review games if we are not sent then (I was simply trying to suggest the reason why we didn't receive the game).

Oh and Out Run 2 is better than Burnout 3 so there

[mid]

Saying Burnout 3 is better or worse than OutRun 2 is rather like saying Roni Size is better or worse than Lemon Jelly. Sure, they're both loosely in the same genre, but massively different in terms of tempo and what their aim is.

Personally, I prefer the less OTT nature of OutRun 2 right now, but critising a driving game for being too fast and intense does seem rather silly.

[JibberX]

I tell you it is like a United Nations diplomacy session in here sometimes....

[Strider]

I tell you it is like a United Nations diplomacy session in here sometimes....

Agreed, but at least this forum comes to an agreement a lot more quickly

[Reef]

If you could get rid of all the EA bollocks out of Burnout 3 then it would be better than Outrun 2

as it is - they are just as good as each other

That's the end of it now thanks!

[Strider]

If you could get rid of all the EA bollocks out of Burnout 3 then it would be better than Outrun 2

as it is - they are just as good as each other

That's the end of it now thanks!

They can't be though, Burnout 3 got a higher score 'lights fuse and runs for cover'

[JibberX]

It's true, we shouldn't bomb Africa, it has a nice coastline.

Nice?

Yes, nicer than South America!

Come on, you've got that whole east side, its great.

What about Chile?

Chile? who in their right mind likes Mountains, what a rubbish idea.

Well Africa has too many deserts for my tastes, all that sand.

Forests are full of scary snakes and spiders.......

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[Kotatsu Neko]

That's the most tragically blinkered forum fanboy post I've seen for ages... "It has soul?"

Get real. Burnout 3 is a MUCH better game than Outrun 2.

It's all opinion. I played Burn Out 3 and thought it was slick, well put together, and fun for a while. Then I got bored with all the slow motion crashes and went off to play something else.

When I fired up Out Run 2 for the first time I was glued for a good couple of hours. A grin spread over my face that I haven't had since Panzer Dragoon Orta and Wind Waker.

Yes I love a great Sega game, more than any others. Yes I loved the original Out Run, so the whole nostagia thing is there for me. But I genuinely found Out Run 2 to be a lot more fun than Burn Out 3. That's my opinion.



As for Out Run having a soul, perhaps I should have used less emotive terms. It just feels to me less manufactured than Burn Out, like it's developer's really put their all into it. The best Sega and Nintendo games have this, EA games don't.

[Jaysus]

It just feels to me less manufactured than Burn Out, like it's developer's really put their all into it. The best Sega and Nintendo games have this, EA games don't.

Well, this is all an illusion. They're all just games at the end of the day. It's just Sega has a better reputation with gamers than EA has, which is affecting your ability to judge Burnout 3 fairly.

As for, "it's just opinion", well yes and no. Remember, reviews should never be simply one person's opinion. They should be objective pieces written by professionals for the purpose of evaluating a game's potential to appeal to other people.

The Burnout 3 review in gamesTM is written with this in mind. It understands how Burnout 3 will, in general, be accepted and loved by more people than those few who will heavily get into Outrun 2, a game which, to be honest, is relying a lot on Sega Kudos to generate its loyal following.

I'm not saying Outrun 2 isn't a good game, but it's just Burnout 3 has so much more to it and at the end of the day offers gamers more content for their money.

[MD]

Saying Burnout 3 is better or worse than OutRun 2 is rather like saying Roni Size is better or worse than Lemon Jelly.

What sort of desert is Roni Size? Is it some toffee pie or something?

[Kron]

I'm not saying Outrun 2 isn't a good game, but it's just Burnout 3 has so much more to it and at the end of the day offers gamers more content for their money.

If thats so then why have I clocked up twice as much playtime on Outrun 2 and not touched Burnout 3 for just over 3 weeks now?

Burnout 3 may have more modes and content but Outrun 2 has addictive replayability and at its core is a solid and defined game, Not a gimmicky randomness that Burnout 3 consistently feeds you. My ?30 has been much better spent on Outrun 2.