A year on

[Phar]

How so? This argument falls ot its face, because Wiimote has more buttons than Dreamcast controller had, and only four less than current traditional controllers have.

Thats true, but theres also the argument that for e.g a game such as Daytona 2001 would work far better on a Dreamcast controller than trying to shoehorn a wii remote control method into it, I just feel that a lot of games are still made with a more traditional control method in mind that sometimes regardless of the amount of remote waggling or twirling to incorporate the more mundane buttons just don't translate to the wii that well.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Thing is though - the Wii is for kids and moms.

For truth.

Just look at the thread here about the games WE are playing, they are certainly not dominated by Wii titles.

The mainstream may have Nintendo 'winning', but does that actually count for anything?

[elkatas]

The mainstream may have Nintendo 'winning', but does that actually count for anything?

In the longer run it does count, because although general Wii user buys less games, by next year sheer amount of users guarantees that sofware sales are higher for Wii than X360. Traditional titles do sell on Wii if they are well done, as proven by RE4.

Wii is also your last hope for any games that aren't shooters, drivers, sandbox or sport titles on home consoles. X360 audience has pretty much proven with sales that it won't touch JRPGs, colorful games or quirky titles. Same goes for current PS3 audience.

Just look at the thread here about the games WE are playing, they are certainly not dominated by Wii titles.

It just proves how goddamn narrow average NTSC-UK users tastes are. Halo 3, Orange, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4. From FPS to FPS. Long are gone times when NTSC-UK was about variation, and exotic choices.

[Dirty Sanchez]

So higher software sales are a guarentee of quality are they? I beg to differ.

I'm not interested in RPG's, Jap or Western, since when has 'colourful' games been a genre? So that leaves quirky games, great the First Play is alive with quirk games threads that we just have to buy.....

[Brats]

X360 audience has pretty much proven with sales that it won't touch JRPGs, colorful games or quirky titles. Same goes for current PS3 audience.

*cough* Guitar Hero *cough*

Plus loads of stuff on Live Arcade has been quirky and colurful and sold loads. It's more about how this stuff is packaged.

It just proves how goddamn narrow average NTSC-UK users tastes are. Halo 3, Orange, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4. From FPS to FPS. Long are gone times when NTSC-UK was about variation, and exotic choices.

What a crock of ****. Those titles just happen to be amongst the best titles released this year. You've also left out tonnes of other non-FPS titles that people have been playing and loving.

NTSC-UK'ers love quality. If it happens to come from a lots of FPS at the same time, then so be it.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Long gone (hopefully) are the dozens of crap games that are pimped as being quirky/unique/usually with japanese audio that very few of us can understand. Bust they are 'different' so are 'better', is that how it works?

[elkatas]

So higher software sales are a guarentee of quality are they? I beg to differ.

Higher software sales attract high budget projects that have bigger risks. As proven by NES, SNES, PSOne, PS2, DS, and so on.

[charlesr]

Long are gone times when NTSC-UK was about variation, and exotic choices.

Ah ha, but that's where you see things differently from me. Long gone are the times when ntsc-uk readers had no variation, concentrating solely on obscure JPN titles. Now readers play obscure stuff AND mainstream stuff.

Actually they always did play the mainstream stuff, but just chatted less about it and more about the niche stuff.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Higher software sales attract high budget projects that have bigger risks. As proven by NES, SNES, PSOne, PS2, DS, and so on.

And also attracts cut out games to appeal to the mass market.

If Nintendo were trailing in 3rd place you'd be arguing about the quality of the few titles instead of trying to twist it that being in 'first place' is the be all and end all of gaming.

Last word : FANBOY.

[elkatas]

Bust they are 'different' so are 'better', is that how it works?

It is more about variation. Researchs (and sales data) show that there has been growth, but on home consoles has been driven by higher priced hardware. Actual software sales have been down since 2004. When Piper-Jaffray surveyed teenagers about this, main reason why they didn't buy so many games anymore was how similar games were. Instead of trying to solve this problem, western market responded by narrowing its focus, and trying to attract more sales from specific core group. This can't continue forever, and it will do serious damage for industry. It is like pissing on your pants on cold weather. It will warm for moment, but after a while, pants will be more cold.

And also attracts cut out games to appeal to the mass market.

But those cut out games are fuel that keeps high budget games funded.

Last word : FANBOY.

So it always comes down to this? When nobody can actually disprove my points, I'm a fanboy.

[B1gBeard]

*cough* Guitar Hero *cough*

Plus loads of stuff on Live Arcade has been quirky and colurful and sold loads. It's more about how this stuff is packaged.

I'm not sure that Guitar Hero is a good example of the 360 doing much different. Its a pretty well established title that is more geared towards the Western Market.

What sort of figures are we considering loads on the Live stuff? Considering a lot of it costs peanuts you'd expect millions to shift really. Wasn't Minter's latest pretty poor on sales?

What a crock of ****. Those titles just happen to be amongst the best titles released this year. You've also left out tonnes of other non-FPS titles that people have been playing and loving.

NTSC-UK'ers love quality. If it happens to come from a lots of FPS at the same time, then so be it.

Its not just this period in gaming though. The 360's life has been dominated from release by pretty much sports and FPS's. I don't think that's a bad thing though. Its very much a Western machine and wears its Star and Stripes firmly on it sleeve.

I personally don't think its a machine that is encouraging or promoting diversity. Its trying, but it does appear as though it is stereo-typed. Thinking about it my 360 was kind of a replacement for my PC. It attracts similar genre's of games that I used my PC for but without the technical hassle's. CoD4, Mass Effect etc were games that would have been PC only not so long ago.

[elkatas]

What sort of figures are we considering loads on the Live stuff? Considering a lot of it costs peanuts you'd expect millions to shift really. Wasn't Minter's latest pretty poor on sales?

We don't have sales numbers whatsoever. But feeling is good enough, eh?

[elkatas]

If Nintendo were trailing in 3rd place you'd be arguing about the quality of the few titles instead of trying to twist it that being in 'first place' is the be all and end all of gaming.

And you are better? You are currently claiming exactly same thing. Suddenly software and hardware sales don't matter, and this is only because market has chosen different console instead of your personal preference. Hypocrite.

[elkatas]

I'm not sure that Guitar Hero is a good example of the 360 doing much different. Its a pretty well established title that is more geared towards the Western Market.

Indeed. Its a western game for western market. Which started on PS2.

[rmoxon]

Wii is also your last hope for any games that aren't shooters, drivers, sandbox or sport titles on home consoles. X360 audience has pretty much proven with sales that it won't touch JRPGs, colorful games or quirky titles. Same goes for current PS3 audience.



It just proves how goddamn narrow average NTSC-UK users tastes are. Halo 3, Orange, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4. From FPS to FPS. Long are gone times when NTSC-UK was about variation, and exotic choices.

What about stuff like Katamari and Viva Pinata? arent they quirky and coulourful?

Also I think the XBox360 actualy has more JRPG's than either of the other two new consoles.

Theres far from just shooters on the 360.